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Brexit Expired JAR License Trap?

Old 30th Jan 2019, 17:11
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Brexit Expired JAR License Trap?

Apologies if this has been done before.

With hard Brexit at least, the CAA leaves EASA in two months.

For those of us with expired JAR licenses, we can still convert to EASA before exit day.

After exit day, it won’t be possible for the CAA to convert an expired JAR license to EASA. Nor will it be possible for the CAA to issue an EASA license for ab initio.

Is the NPPL still a thing? [edit: no, not in a general sense. Limited to edge cases like microlight, vintage]

Also, soft Brexit... anyone know if the current transition agreement keeps us in EASA for the period?
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Old 30th Jan 2019, 21:51
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I think that if #brexit isn't stopped most of us will have far more to worry about than our hobby flying.
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Old 30th Jan 2019, 22:24
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
I think that if #brexit isn't stopped most of us will have far more to worry about than our hobby flying.
Indeed.

Iím trying not to vent my personal feelings.

Iím expired JAR and now trying to work out my rescue plan.
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Old 30th Jan 2019, 22:38
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trying to work out my rescue plan.
Get a commercial flight out of the country. Before March 29th, obvs. If you can get a seat.

You do have an Irish passport don't you?
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 06:39
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Get a commercial flight out of the country. Before March 29th, obvs. If you can get a seat.

You do have an Irish passport don't you?
I *have* flirted with the idea of bailing out (to Berlin) and taking my chances. Over the last year four friends have already left for Germany.
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Over the last year four friends have already left for Germany.
Assuming - not unreasonably - that such folk are pro-Europe, it seems ironic that Remainers are leaving while Leavers are remaining.
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 10:29
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What is the evidence Brexit equals leaving EASA? EASA is basically independent of EU.
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 12:50
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Originally Posted by ChickenHouse View Post
What is the evidence Brexit equals leaving EASA? EASA is basically independent of EU.
Check the CAA website, regarding no-deal:

"Pilots with UK licences who want to fly EU-registered aircraft postBrexit would need to transfer their licence to another EASA member state before Brexit, or seek a second licence from an EASA member state."

Additionally, there is no reference to EASA in the current 'soft brexit' withdrawal agreement.

Practical example...

Easyjet are getting all their pilots flying non G reg to transfer their licenses to Austria.

The government had aspirations to stay in EASA, but no deal has been done.

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Old 31st Jan 2019, 13:46
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Why not just convert to EASA? Most of us did this years ago. Think you've left it a bit late in the day in all honesty. Judging from some of the posts all this is is an excuse for an Anti-Brexit rant.
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 15:34
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Originally Posted by TelsBoy View Post
Why not just convert to EASA? Most of us did this years ago. Think you've left it a bit late in the day in all honesty. Judging from some of the posts all this is is an excuse for an Anti-Brexit rant.
I gave up flying over 15 years ago - only just decided to go back to it.

As such, Iíve had no reason to even know about EASA conversion until now.

Bad timing eh!
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 16:11
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Oh dear.

This CAA alert just landed in my email.

I think it confirms what I've been hearing elsewhere... FCL are up to their eyes in it. Although in this case the advice is regarding transfer applications, I'm assuming it's same admin team as conversions and other license issues... everything is backed up.

Hopefully there'll be a Brexit extension long enough for me to get my conversion through.

"The CAA has said it cannot guarantee that licence transfer applications submitted to the CAA after January 1 will have been processed successfully by us and will have been assessed so that the pilot can be issued with a medical certificate by the ‘new’ NAA by March 29, the scheduled date of the UK’s exit. All applications are being processed as quickly as possible by the UK CAA."
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 17:02
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Cant speak for the pilots side but it took the engineering guys about 8 weeks to send my file to the new authority.

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Old 31st Jan 2019, 17:06
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Cant speak for the pilots side but it took the engineering guys about 8 weeks to send my file to the new authority.

Useful to know. Iím hoping conversions go through faster.

When did you submit?
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 17:44
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Cant speak for the pilots side but it took the engineering guys about 8 weeks to send my file to the new authority.
8 weeks to transfer my pilot licence too: unfortunately it takes very long for the UK CAA to release the required paperwork for licence transfer (doc 155). They are simply overwhelmed.
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Old 1st Feb 2019, 09:52
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8 weeks to transfer my pilot licence too: unfortunately it takes very long for the UK CAA to release the required paperwork for license transfer (doc 155). They are simply overwhelmed.
So please remind us how long the CAA took to move bits of paper before the Brexit thingee...... What evidence do you have of them being overwhelmed???? Telsboy's post is bang on. The sun will rise on 30th March. The EU has already passed enabling regulations for aircraft to continue to fly. Lettuces will continue to arrive from Spain
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Old 1st Feb 2019, 09:56
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EASA is basically independent of EU
What on earth gave you that idea? EASA is an EU Agency, established by EU regulation and 23% funded by the EU. Not much independence there.
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In my experience, the CAA have never been quick at anything. Although that said when I renewed my SEP last year it only took a couple of weeks to come through, which was a pleasant surprise. In the past it's taken much longer.

Regarding EASA and the EU, BillieBob has it spot on.
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Old 1st Feb 2019, 10:36
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Originally Posted by homonculus View Post
So please remind us how long the CAA took to move bits of paper before the Brexit thingee...... What evidence do you have of them being overwhelmed???? Telsboy's post is bang on. The sun will rise on 30th March. The EU has already passed enabling regulations for aircraft to continue to fly. Lettuces will continue to arrive from Spain
The CAA have stated that applications recieved after 1st of January may not be processed in time for the potential non negotiated exit date.

Thatís a potential three month lead time. My initial - JAA took the CAA just 3 weeks.

I can see it in my log book, taking the skills test pass date, and then the subsequent license issue date.
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Old 1st Feb 2019, 10:56
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I hope you can get it all sorted Paul. Probably best speaking to your local flying club as I'd imagine you'll need some dual time before doing any test. Unless you can cram it in within a couple of weeks you'll probably be looking at being re-licensed well after the Brexit date.

As for what license you'll get, or if Brexit will even happen on the stated date... fornicated if I know.
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Old 1st Feb 2019, 12:09
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I hope you can get it all sorted Paul. Probably best speaking to your local flying club as I'd imagine you'll need some dual time before doing any test. Unless you can cram it in within a couple of weeks you'll probably be looking at being re-licensed well after the Brexit date.

As for what license you'll get, or if Brexit will even happen on the stated date... fornicated if I know.
My current plan is to apply for the conversion straight away (I want to grandfather in my aeros), and then cross my fingers. By the sounds of it, itís wonít complete by March 29th, but at least Iíll have started the process. The CAA will have to have some plan for new licenses / conversions post EASA, even though they havenít yet announced it.

Then in the meantime - as you say - start getting the dual hours in, to be up to speed for an LPC. I have some catching up to do after all these years!
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