EU registered aircraft in UK after Brexit
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EU registered aircraft in UK after Brexit
Just a bit of idle musing .............
I currently fly a G registered homebuilt using my CAA PPL (the brown one from few years ago) so would expect this to continue regardless after March for my local UK flights.
However I've just seen an advert for a share in a nice looking aircraft that is D registered - there are a few in the UK.
What do we think is the future for these aircraft in the various scenarios?
I currently fly a G registered homebuilt using my CAA PPL (the brown one from few years ago) so would expect this to continue regardless after March for my local UK flights.
However I've just seen an advert for a share in a nice looking aircraft that is D registered - there are a few in the UK.
What do we think is the future for these aircraft in the various scenarios?
The possibilities are endless, ranging between the extremes of:
- Send it back to Germany (Europe) in a box.
- Continue to use it in exactly the same way as it is used now.
It is a homebuilt so it must be Annex 2. Each European state has its own rules for Annex 2 aircraft maintenance, so, there is a lot of conjecture as to whether it is legal to permanently keep a home built aircraft in a state within which it is not registered.
There is a carefully considered article from the LAA on this subject which is particularly relevant to how the UK regulations treat the issue, an extract follows:
TRAVELLING ABROAD IN A PERMIT AIRCRAFT
There is a special case for certain aircraft on the LAA fleet to which the CAA has issued an EASA Permit to Fly (albeit administered by the LAA). This affects only a small number of types: Fourniers (all marks), Bolkow 208, ARV Super Two (factory-built examples only) and Slingsby T61A. These particular aircraft are classed Annex I by EASA, and should by rights hold a full EASA Certificate of Airworthiness. However, due to their history of operation on a PFA/LAA Permit to Fly these particular, individual aircraft were ‘grandfathered’ onto EASA Permits to Fly, administered by the LAA. These Permits are recognised by all member states, and these aircraft therefore have a right of flight in member state countries. Oct 2016 Page 1 of 23 We advise not to allow an LAA Permit to Fly expire whilst the aircraft is abroad. In the event that this does happen, contact LAA for advice on special procedures that will apply for renewal.
The german registered aircraft may be treated very differently
There is a carefully considered article from the LAA on this subject which is particularly relevant to how the UK regulations treat the issue, an extract follows:
TRAVELLING ABROAD IN A PERMIT AIRCRAFT
There is a special case for certain aircraft on the LAA fleet to which the CAA has issued an EASA Permit to Fly (albeit administered by the LAA). This affects only a small number of types: Fourniers (all marks), Bolkow 208, ARV Super Two (factory-built examples only) and Slingsby T61A. These particular aircraft are classed Annex I by EASA, and should by rights hold a full EASA Certificate of Airworthiness. However, due to their history of operation on a PFA/LAA Permit to Fly these particular, individual aircraft were ‘grandfathered’ onto EASA Permits to Fly, administered by the LAA. These Permits are recognised by all member states, and these aircraft therefore have a right of flight in member state countries. Oct 2016 Page 1 of 23 We advise not to allow an LAA Permit to Fly expire whilst the aircraft is abroad. In the event that this does happen, contact LAA for advice on special procedures that will apply for renewal.
The german registered aircraft may be treated very differently
Last edited by Fl1ingfrog; 2nd Dec 2018 at 19:28.
As you say it's an EASA aircraft, I'd ask the Group members, and the 2 CAAs, but wouldn't worry too much. It should be able to transfer to the UK CAA. There are others registered.
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Attention Fl1ingfrog and Billiebob misunderstanding alert
We are discussing A Bolkow B0- 209 Monson which is a production EASA aircraft registered in Germany. If you look carefully, it's my own UK registered aircraft that is a homebuilt and it was my opening thought to compare how "D" reg aircraft will fare after 29th March.
Write out 100 times " I must read more s l o o o w l y"
We are discussing A Bolkow B0- 209 Monson which is a production EASA aircraft registered in Germany. If you look carefully, it's my own UK registered aircraft that is a homebuilt and it was my opening thought to compare how "D" reg aircraft will fare after 29th March.
Write out 100 times " I must read more s l o o o w l y"
Etops as you say you did make your situation clear in your first post.
However, you asked a question regarding facts that were easily available to you if you had bothered to do the research. I answered your question with regard to renewing an ARC which did answer your original question. Both my answers were checked for accuracy in order to be as helpful as I can. I had made an effort to help you.
A thank you wouldn't go amiss rather than the unjustified silly sneer. If you ask for help please accept the efforts, from those who give their time, with a little grace.
However, you asked a question regarding facts that were easily available to you if you had bothered to do the research. I answered your question with regard to renewing an ARC which did answer your original question. Both my answers were checked for accuracy in order to be as helpful as I can. I had made an effort to help you.
A thank you wouldn't go amiss rather than the unjustified silly sneer. If you ask for help please accept the efforts, from those who give their time, with a little grace.
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Good morning all
I have enjoyed share ownership of this aircraft for the last 12 years since she was imported to the UK by the group. I can confirm it is an EASA aircraft and our German CAMO needs to see the aircraft physically once every 3 years (he simply renews it for the other 2 years).I send him all maintenance documents and regularly update him with usage data .He advises any service bulletins etc that need attention .
We are able to have a UK CAMO but I like our German CAMO very much and the trip once every 3 years is fun. I have flown the aircraft for over 540 hours and toured all over the UK and Europe.
Who knows what the next few months will bring regarding aircraft and pilot licencing . (I suspect very little change) but if necessary we will move it onto the G reg.
The share is for sale due to the personal circumstances changing of our German group member who in turn bought his share last year from a guy that sold his share and bought his own Monsun !
The aircraft flys approx. 80-90 hours per year and has great availability (most of the group members have access to other aircraft also)
Please get in touch if you would like to take a look
Nick
I have enjoyed share ownership of this aircraft for the last 12 years since she was imported to the UK by the group. I can confirm it is an EASA aircraft and our German CAMO needs to see the aircraft physically once every 3 years (he simply renews it for the other 2 years).I send him all maintenance documents and regularly update him with usage data .He advises any service bulletins etc that need attention .
We are able to have a UK CAMO but I like our German CAMO very much and the trip once every 3 years is fun. I have flown the aircraft for over 540 hours and toured all over the UK and Europe.
Who knows what the next few months will bring regarding aircraft and pilot licencing . (I suspect very little change) but if necessary we will move it onto the G reg.
The share is for sale due to the personal circumstances changing of our German group member who in turn bought his share last year from a guy that sold his share and bought his own Monsun !
The aircraft flys approx. 80-90 hours per year and has great availability (most of the group members have access to other aircraft also)
Please get in touch if you would like to take a look
Nick
