Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Non-Airline Forums > Private Flying
Reload this Page >

IR(R) and Night Rating

Private Flying LAA/BMAA/BGA/BPA The sheer pleasure of flight.

IR(R) and Night Rating

Reply

Old 3rd Nov 2018, 14:42
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: GB
Posts: 21
Question IR(R) and Night Rating

Hello all,
Long time no post. I haven't flown for over 18 months, and my SEP is due to lapse just after Christmas. Obviously, I don't particularly want this to happen, but lack of funds may mean it's inevitable.
So, a few questions:
1) Can I renew my SEP through a re-validation skills test whilst the rating is still current, thus hopefully allowing just a few hours flying time instead of the full 12?
2) With Brexit looming and the whole IMC/IR(r) debacle, if I were to obtain an IR(r) before March(?), would I be able to continue using it throughout Europe past this, and continue to exercise it's privileges for the foreseeable future?
3) If I decided to do my IR(r), could I simultaneously complete my Night Rating, or would this have to be done in 2 separate 'sittings'?
Thank you
JOMQ
JustOneMoreQuestion. is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 3rd Nov 2018, 20:11
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Oxford
Posts: 2,012
2. No, the IR(R) is only valid in the UK.

If you are struggling for funds to maintain the SEP then how are you going to fund it?
tmmorris is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 3rd Nov 2018, 20:46
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: The World
Posts: 1,113
1) You can renew your Part.FCL EASA SEP by either a training flight with FI when all requirements are met or by a checkflight with FE in lieu of meeting the requirements. There are some elder guys at our local flying club only doing one single checkflight every two years to keep it alive. But, nobody can be sure the UK will stays under EASA regulation.
3) legal or in reality? I would always advice to do night before IR.
ChickenHouse is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 4th Nov 2018, 00:08
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Cambridge, England
Posts: 3,368
Originally Posted by ChickenHouse View Post
I would always advice to do night before IR
I've done IR(R) but not the night rating ... however I have done some night flying, because some of my IR(R) lessons were at night (you're not needing to see out during ain IR(R) lesson anyway so it doesn't matter if it's dark outside).

Within seconds after take-off at night you're on instruments (well, depending on weather and location, but sometimes you will be). As you're going to need some competence with flying on instruments in order to fly at night, why wouldn't you do the IR(R) first?
Gertrude the Wombat is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 4th Nov 2018, 10:03
  #5 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: GB
Posts: 21
Sorry, made a silly mistake:
So, after April, although the IR(r) will no longer be issued in the UK, it will still be valid in the UK for those who already hold it?
Renewal wise, I think a check flight with an examiner might be the way forwards
I would probably do IR before NR, which I think is the way to do it.
In terms of funding, things may be changing, I just don't want to miss my opportunity to do my IR(r), if it will be dead after April (though this may be outdated information, so some clarity on this would be much appreciated too.
Thanks so far
JustOneMoreQuestion. is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 4th Nov 2018, 10:36
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 1999
Location: Quite near 'An aerodrome somewhere in England'
Posts: 24,956
The CAA has no intention of withdrawing the IR(R) next April - I don't know who started such a baseless rumour!
BEagle is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 4th Nov 2018, 10:43
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 1999
Location: north of barlu
Posts: 6,088
At the moment the position is that your UK licence will after Brexit only be valid for flying UK registered aircraft. The EU will have to recognise it as an ICAO licence for flight in EU airspace in UK registered aircraft.

The EU has prohibited EASA from talking to the UK CAA about Brexit issues and how to make any transition smooth, you have to wonder if these people have ever been our friends within the EU or just a bunch of empire builders who are having a hissy fit because they know the game it up.
A and C is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 4th Nov 2018, 17:57
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Cambridge, England
Posts: 3,368
Originally Posted by A and C View Post
The EU has prohibited EASA from talking to the UK CAA about Brexit issues
Evidence??
Gertrude the Wombat is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 5th Nov 2018, 09:30
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 1999
Location: north of barlu
Posts: 6,088
The lack of anything but the dropping of an iron curtain on EASA compliant UK aviation for political reasons seems to be good enough.

I am being forced by EASA to get a licence issued by an EU state so I can keep working when my UK licence remains EASA compliant, any one who thinks the EU is not a self serving bully that tries to squash democracy is living in a dream world, so much for a friendly parting of the ways because it was the will of the people.
A and C is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 5th Nov 2018, 12:19
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 2,363
A and C is right on the money.
Evidence??
Apart from a first-hand account from a good friend who now works in Cologne, how about this from a recent IATA press release:
IATA believes that EASA and the UK Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) should be allowed to initiate detailed technical discussions on the future relationship between the two bodies, with [IATA CEO Alexandre] de Juniac calling it "ridiculous" that formal discussions between the two bodies have not been allowed.
Full release may be found here
BillieBob is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 5th Nov 2018, 15:48
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 1999
Location: north of barlu
Posts: 6,088
Thank you Billebob, that was what I was looking for.
A and C is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 20th Nov 2018, 12:57
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: The Wild Blue Yonder
Posts: 52
"I just don't want to miss my opportunity to do my IR(r), if it will be dead after April"

"The CAA has no intention of withdrawing the IR(R) next April - I don't know who started such a baseless rumour!"

So which is it? I've heard an instructor suggest that all IR(R) training and testing will cease after March next year.

tia
TPP
The_Pink_Panther is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 23rd Nov 2018, 20:25
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Cambridge, UK
Age: 36
Posts: 26
From the PPL/IR forums:

"IR(R) holders may be aware that EASA had only extended their approval of the UK recognising the IR(R) for use in EASA aircraft until 2019.
I have now heard from the CAA that they have an agreement from EASA that they can continue issuing and recognising the rating beyond the deadline by way of an Exception.
So the IR(R) is safe at least until the BIR is implemented.
There is no agreement (or even discussion at the moment) about the fate of the IR(R) after the BIR implementation, but it seems likely that there will be grandfather rights, possibly opening the possibility of getting the IMCR as a route to the BIR."
Maulkin is offline  
Reply With Quote

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service