UK GA Misogyny;Are Female Pilots Denigrated.
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If what I have said amounts to misogyny or sexism. I would suggest that that notion is nothing short of ‘kin bull****e.
As for the old chestnut cliche of hole digging. That is often trotted out in cases where people can’t be bothered to think and consider what has been said and make some snap decision that the hole digger must be a seriously bad bar steward.
My sincere apologies ladies and gentlemen, or should I say, Terans of Sol three. I obviously have upset everyone.
Clare prop.
I have never, ever, suggested that women were weak or cowardly, I find that an insult.
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Oh, go on then, I'll jump in (I usually just lurk when I'm here these days)
As a result of a brilliant, counter-cultural suggestion by my mum when I was choosing my degree subject many decades ago, I ended up with a career in a male-dominated environment. I was also an occasional recreational pilot. In those environments, I did encounter sexism, sometimes deliberate as a competitive ploy though more usually just casual; but misogyny? Never.
Maybe I've been lucky.
MB
PS. I see Genghis beat me to that point whilst I was typing
As a result of a brilliant, counter-cultural suggestion by my mum when I was choosing my degree subject many decades ago, I ended up with a career in a male-dominated environment. I was also an occasional recreational pilot. In those environments, I did encounter sexism, sometimes deliberate as a competitive ploy though more usually just casual; but misogyny? Never.
Maybe I've been lucky.
MB
PS. I see Genghis beat me to that point whilst I was typing
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Come along now people . [of both sexes]
Let us value each other as human beings . The male sex cannot survive without the female sex . [or vice-versa] Despite the perceptions of some of todays modern generation of 'intellectuals' . Having respect for our fellow human beings , regardless of gender , is the key to our continued survival .
The person whose rather conveniently twisted values lie behind this debate , is only using the misogyny ploy because all else has failed . We can rise above that , can't we !
Let us value each other as human beings . The male sex cannot survive without the female sex . [or vice-versa] Despite the perceptions of some of todays modern generation of 'intellectuals' . Having respect for our fellow human beings , regardless of gender , is the key to our continued survival .
The person whose rather conveniently twisted values lie behind this debate , is only using the misogyny ploy because all else has failed . We can rise above that , can't we !
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Pejoratively labeling all arguments by Crash One as sexist strikes me as somewhat OTT. Are the thoughts of this accomplished female soldier thus sexist, too? Or does she merely know what she is talking about? Or both?
Agreed, though, that trying to curb anyone's discretion in his/her personal decision regarding risk-taking with the argument that this might hurt the protective impetus of members of the other sex might be well-intentioned but is not a tenable position IMO.
Agreed, though, that trying to curb anyone's discretion in his/her personal decision regarding risk-taking with the argument that this might hurt the protective impetus of members of the other sex might be well-intentioned but is not a tenable position IMO.
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Pejoratively labeling all arguments by Crash One as sexist strikes me as somewhat OTT. Are the thoughts of this accomplished female soldier thus sexist, too? Or does she merely know what she is talking about? Or both?
Agreed, though, that trying to curb anyone's discretion in his/her personal decision regarding risk-taking with the argument that this might hurt the protective impetus of members of the other sex might be well-intentioned but is not a tenable position IMO.
Agreed, though, that trying to curb anyone's discretion in his/her personal decision regarding risk-taking with the argument that this might hurt the protective impetus of members of the other sex might be well-intentioned but is not a tenable position IMO.
As for trying to curb anyone’s personal descision on risk taking.
I was Royal Navy, flight deck crash and rescue. I would have no concerns entering a serious fuel fire with a female partner to attempt the rescue.
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Fascinating!
I have nothing to contribute, this debate being so far from my own world, which can be summed up succinctly in this song
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(Edited to add 35 years married and very, very happy, in case you thought of asking)
I have nothing to contribute, this debate being so far from my own world, which can be summed up succinctly in this song
(Edited to add 35 years married and very, very happy, in case you thought of asking)
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John R81 .
Well done for coming to the rescue with a bit of humour . I reckon that old Milt just about kinda sums up how most of us feel about all of this !
I also reckon that ,that "M" word has just about outstayed its welcome on here too . As for the person who inspired this thread with her hollow and rather nasty accusations ...?
Well , hopefully she will disappear into oblivion too - and take her baseless and spiteful accusations with her !
Well done for coming to the rescue with a bit of humour . I reckon that old Milt just about kinda sums up how most of us feel about all of this !
I also reckon that ,that "M" word has just about outstayed its welcome on here too . As for the person who inspired this thread with her hollow and rather nasty accusations ...?
Well , hopefully she will disappear into oblivion too - and take her baseless and spiteful accusations with her !
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Chris,
As the saying goes:
Hell hath no fury like a...person...scorned!
As the saying goes:
Hell hath no fury like a...person...scorned!
I'm sure none of the people who want to protect women, and who are posting here (often at great length) are being deliberately rude or patronising. I suspect that were I to meet them in person we would get on pretty well. That's the trouble with internet fora, it's too easy to be misunderstood. Now for the but.....
if you see me arrive by air, and I get out of the aircraft with a man on board, please don't assume that I'm the passenger. Whichever seat with controls I was sitting in. Because I could be a) flying
b) instructing c) passenger. So if you ask me "do you fly too dear?" I might be getting tired of hearing that question. Believe me, I have heard it more than enough times.
Second point. Women are individuals. So are men. Politeness is always welcome. So, by all means open a door for me, or offer me a seat. I too will do that for anyone who looks as if they need it more than I do. I hope they will say "thank you" whether they accept it or not. I do. Now, can we please not let the miserable specimen who caused all this mayhem set us against each other?
if you see me arrive by air, and I get out of the aircraft with a man on board, please don't assume that I'm the passenger. Whichever seat with controls I was sitting in. Because I could be a) flying
b) instructing c) passenger. So if you ask me "do you fly too dear?" I might be getting tired of hearing that question. Believe me, I have heard it more than enough times.
Second point. Women are individuals. So are men. Politeness is always welcome. So, by all means open a door for me, or offer me a seat. I too will do that for anyone who looks as if they need it more than I do. I hope they will say "thank you" whether they accept it or not. I do. Now, can we please not let the miserable specimen who caused all this mayhem set us against each other?
Piper,Classique,
Well said!
I was taught to fly by a woman pilot back in 1959 and she set me off on the road to good aviating. We still keep in touch and she is an example to us all - male or female.
Well said!
I was taught to fly by a woman pilot back in 1959 and she set me off on the road to good aviating. We still keep in touch and she is an example to us all - male or female.
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I'm sure none of the people who want to protect women, and who are posting here (often at great length) are being deliberately rude or patronising. I suspect that were I to meet them in person we would get on pretty well. That's the trouble with internet fora, it's too easy to be misunderstood. Now for the but.....
if you see me arrive by air, and I get out of the aircraft with a man on board, please don't assume that I'm the passenger. Whichever seat with controls I was sitting in. Because I could be a) flying
b) instructing c) passenger. So if you ask me "do you fly too dear?" I might be getting tired of hearing that question. Believe me, I have heard it more than enough times.
Second point. Women are individuals. So are men. Politeness is always welcome. So, by all means open a door for me, or offer me a seat. I too will do that for anyone who looks as if they need it more than I do. I hope they will say "thank you" whether they accept it or not. I do. Now, can we please not let the miserable specimen who caused all this mayhem set us against each other?
if you see me arrive by air, and I get out of the aircraft with a man on board, please don't assume that I'm the passenger. Whichever seat with controls I was sitting in. Because I could be a) flying
b) instructing c) passenger. So if you ask me "do you fly too dear?" I might be getting tired of hearing that question. Believe me, I have heard it more than enough times.
Second point. Women are individuals. So are men. Politeness is always welcome. So, by all means open a door for me, or offer me a seat. I too will do that for anyone who looks as if they need it more than I do. I hope they will say "thank you" whether they accept it or not. I do. Now, can we please not let the miserable specimen who caused all this mayhem set us against each other?