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Old 30th Oct 2018, 14:49
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This is mostly to do with my decision to do PPL here in the UK, so 0-PPL may take a month or it may take six, depending on the weather as we all know.
Six months to complete a PPL in the UK at this time of year? Are you serious? You'd be hard pressed to manage that full-time, let alone working in between in my view.

Regarding filming, a school I know put a blanket ban on use of recording devices both in flight and in the vicinity of the apron due to safety concerns - students wandering around filming with no regard for taxying aircraft (same with MP3 - think pedestrians on zebra-crossings wired for sound vs situational awareness). Airborne, students became distracted by cameras, preoccupied with the recording device (set and forget not always as easy as you may think), devices discovered mounted outside of the cockpit through the DV window etc., blind-spots created, FOD...

Frankly, I would have thought that the OP would probably be wiser to invest some time and effort into studying the books and focussing on the more critical elements of flight training than GoPro equipage, but I'm from a different generation I suspect.
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 15:30
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9 lives - thanks for that! I did not consider that the school may not own the aircraft, I assumed that since the school operated the aircraft, that they owned it? I realize now that may not always be the case. I'll be sure to ask! Speaking of scratches, surely not all aircraft windows are scratch-free? Surely they don't need to be replaced at the lightest scratch? The aircraft available to me have been in grass fields so I'd guess it has some small scratches here and there.

My initial flight will be in a PA-28 but I plan to do most of my training in the PA-38s for the reasons you mention, plus the fact that they are cheaper to fly and I estimate about £1,000+ difference in cost once the 45 hours are up! Looks like a win-win scenario to me!


As the first photo shows, you could block out several airplanes in formation with that much vision blocked!
I do hope you realize that picture was meant as a joke! To clarify, the plan for the second camera is to be in a location similar to this shown in Stefan Drury's video, but mine will be on the opposite side, to where the arrows are pointing. As you can see, while it does obstruct a little of the view, it will be below the eye level of the pilot so unless the oncoming traffic is on a lower altitude and coming up, it should be okay. I can also mount it just below the window or windshield as shown by the second red arrow, so as to give the pilot a totally unobstructed view. However, I also need to ensure it does not get in the way of the yoke or other controls and that's why I need to have a sit down in the cockpit to have a look-see.




As for the video review, you are making assumptions about how the video will be used after the flight and I'm honestly getting tired of correcting answers made from wrong assumptions, but anyway.... the instructor does not have to watch the whole video. Like I said, if it was 58 minutes of boring and 2 minutes of interesting footage, we only really need to watch that 2 minutes. Bringing up an issue of something I did wrong during the flight, do you think it's better to go off each other's recollection of the incident or watching a video for a clear, impartial review of the incident?

"Hey Instructor! Remember that time when...."
"Um, no, not really..."
"Here, watch this.... I wanted to clarify what you meant when you said...."

"Hey, N2P! That bit earlier when we were practicing.... you did this instead of that..."
"I was distracted and probably overloaded, so I can't clearly recall...."
"It was about 35 minutes into the flight... let's review what happened...."

Much more useful, no?



Originally Posted by rarelyathome
N2P. I own a go pro so know how large they are. 9 lives has given you a reply as to why your comment to me does you absolutely no credit.
So you know how much they can impact the lookout. Hiding behind other people does you no credit, and as you can see, I've already thought of the obstruction issue and have a Plan B should it be a significant hindrance during flight. How can I take you seriously about any claims you make like this one regarding obstruction and cameras when you've already admitted you can't give me any of your actual experience because you've never allowed cameras? Yet you persist....


Originally Posted by rarelyathome
Where will you do your training? Asking because I want to be sure to stay away from the area.
Speaking of credit, you seem to forget you've made this statement..... I wonder how that does you any credit? 30+ years in the RAF and however many number of years instructing but still making jabs like this towards an aspiring pilot after you've said you were leaving the thread....


When you have been flying for a few lessons, you will see just how small a conflicting aircraft is until it is very close. That there is no relative movement between 2 aircraft on a collision course means that any blockage of lookout is dangerous. You will soon start to wonder whether that really is a squashed fly on the windscreen or a conflicting aircraft.
I know this concept very well. You must've missed that bit about light aircraft and gliders. Do you fly in F-16s all the time with a bubble cockpit? Do you keep your head in one position only and just turn left/right for lookout? Or do you "look around," move your head, change your viewpoint so that blindspots from the obstructing parts of the airframe are cleared? Considering how big the other parts of the aircraft are with respect to obstruction, is a GoPro really going to be blocking that much that can't be cleared with the usual head movements required to see around the aircraft frame?



Reverserbucket - thanks for your input! Read my reply to AlexJR in post #70... the timeline will be however long it takes. I can definitely take time off work to give this a good push but there's no sense in doing that at this time of year!

I understand the reasoning behind the ban, but how would you feel if you were not allowed something because someone else was too stupid to do it safely? I appreciate my flight school for being open minded and judging me on my merits, not based off of someone else.

As for time investment,
Pre-flight reading - PPL - I've been enjoying reading the books
PPL question bank app? - and testing my knowledge
and surely not 100% of my time must be invested in ground study especially since we both agree that this may well take longer than 6 months, so what's the harm in looking up other topics that might aid me in my learning?
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 16:24
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Been lurking while but have to put my thoughts in here. I was initially drawn to this thread as I am in the early days of flight training and wanted to get a camera or two and mic setup so I can record solo flights.... That being said, this has been a nearly 2 week, 80+ post thread where one beginner pilot wants to set up cameras, and a bunch of experienced pilots are saying avoid it at this point in your flying career.

Sorry N2P, but the comment further up about being a "Type A" person definitely resonates here. You seem to have an answer for everyone when they advise you against it... everything they say is either an assumption or factually incorrect in your eyes, and that the cameras for learning are the way to go. You have in your head a majestic videoing environment and the value you'll get from it, and seemingly will disagree with anyone who goes against that vision.

I won't say that your idea of a camera setup is wrong, as I'm too inexperienced in the field to know, but if there is anything I've learning from training so far is to listen and learn from the experienced until you are experienced enough to make your own choices. .... You've initially posted the thread so you can learn to do something that you haven't done by people who have. The majority have noted that you shouldn't bother doing it at this stage.

Perhaps you should take the answer that you need to hear, not the answer you want to hear?
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 17:32
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N2P, you didn’t mention for quite some time that you have flown in a glider and in a light aircraft before. As you are saying this will be your first lesson, I presume you were a passenger.

I think everybody here wishes you well, (I do). Enjoy your lessons.

That is the correct flyer forum, there is a student bit where students can ask for help without being flamed out of existence!!

One point, that 45 hours, it’s a minimum. Few manage to pass in 45 hours, and some of the best pilots I know certainly didn’t.

Have fun! Do start a “my story” thread and let us know how it’s going, you never know, maybe some more experienced pilots / flying instructors might be able to help you with some advice one day.
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 17:46
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is a GoPro really going to be blocking that much that can't be cleared with the usual head movements required to see around the aircraft frame?
Perhaps not, relative to other obstructions such as the wing etc. but the thought of obscuring part of the purpose-built windshield in a PA38 is surely a hazard to flight safety...and I've had an airprox with an F16 - blind spot created by the arm of my sunglasses. As you're going to PCL this weekend, why not speak to the large schools exhibiting and ask their opinion on this.
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 18:35
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Originally Posted by Nurse2Pilot
So you know how much they can impact the lookout. Hiding behind other people does you no credit, and as you can see, I've already thought of the obstruction issue and have a Plan B should it be a significant hindrance during flight. How can I take you seriously about any claims you make like this one regarding obstruction and cameras when you've already admitted you can't give me any of your actual experience because you've never allowed cameras? Yet you persist....

Speaking of credit, you seem to forget you've made this statement..... I wonder how that does you any credit? 30+ years in the RAF and however many number of years instructing but still making jabs like this towards an aspiring pilot after you've said you were leaving the thread....

I know this concept very well. You must've missed that bit about light aircraft and gliders. Do you fly in F-16s all the time with a bubble cockpit? Do you keep your head in one position only and just turn left/right for lookout? Or do you "look around," move your head, change your viewpoint so that blindspots from the obstructing parts of the airframe are cleared? Considering how big the other parts of the aircraft are with respect to obstruction, is a GoPro really going to be blocking that much that can't be cleared with the usual head movements required to see around the aircraft frame?
I persist because I care about flight safety. I don't need to obscure my view from the cockpit to know it's not a good idea to block the view. I will butt out now because you are clearly somebody who knows best. You come across as a very aggressive person which is surprising given you were asking for help and all I and other instructors, as well as other qualified and student pilots, have tried to do is pass on advice and experience. I do hope you succeed with your ambitions and, if you do, I hope you will look back on these exchanges with a different perspective. I see from the Instructors' forum that you have ambitions to instruct at some stage. To do so, you will need a change in your approach to advice that contradicts your preconceptions. As I say, I wish you well.
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 21:03
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You could fix the camera behind you, showing instruments and nose attitude. Risk is it'll be able to hit a head in an accident. Yours or the instructor.
Some YT videos were done with the GoPro on the back wall of the cockpit. The pilot is an instructor, flying solo.
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 21:38
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I think that the OP asked for help to do something, not advice on why it's not considered a good idea by some.
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Old 2nd Nov 2018, 08:15
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Originally Posted by airpolice
I think that the OP asked for help to do something, not advice on why it's not considered a good idea by some.
Good point!

Now, can anyone advise me which is the best PC flight sim for flying visual circuits? I’m going to train for these at home*

I’m also considering not bothering with checklists at all, I’ve already written down and memorised all the standard mnemonics, I need to start making some up for “Pre Start”, could you all help?*


*any advice on why this may not be a good idea will be discarded.
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I think that the OP asked for help to do something, not advice on why it's not considered a good idea by some.
Indeed, the OP did so. Other posters may then choose to offer their wisdom, or not. That said, considering that some posters do not support the "what" of what is proposed to be done, it's not surprising that they will use the inquiry about "how" to comment the "what". I won't offer people advice on how to drive their car, if I know that their intent is to street race it, my advice to them would be at a more basic level.

Similarly here. If I were reading a post from a long established aircraft owner, asking how to get an approval to mount a camera in/on and aircraft, my answer would have been somewhat different (though still embedding some thoughts for new pilots who could think of video as a training aid for primary instruction).

In any case, no one has been rude here, and people have unified on a few themes. The fact that those unified thoughts do not correspond with what the OP sought to have as a reply, is hopefully a learning point for the OP, and more importantly, the many new and eager techy pilots to be who are probably also reading this thread. Perhaps they'll consider the plan with a broader perspective.
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Originally Posted by Fly Through
that is an insane piece of footage.
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You go left, and I'll go right!
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Was it a planned video stunt? The plane on the runway should have been visible earlier, even if no radio communication.
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Originally Posted by BDAScott

Perhaps you should take the answer that you need to hear, not the answer you want to hear?
Plus one. In all fairness I was exactly the same when I started. I already knew how everything was going to go, I already knew everything and found the opposing views difficult to hear. This forum is littered with my unhelpful assumptions.

Since passing I have met so many helpful and intelligent people and now with a bit of perspective can offer much more rounded advice, thanks to the the time and patience others have shown me. Eternally grateful.

It's probably made me a better pilot as well.

The only problem with the online forum is the difficulty in assessing tone of the words typed.
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Originally Posted by jamesgrainge
Plus one. In all fairness I was exactly the same when I started. I already knew how everything was going to go, I already knew everything and found the opposing views difficult to hear. This forum is littered with my unhelpful assumptions.

Since passing I have met so many helpful and intelligent people and now with a bit of perspective can offer much more rounded advice, thanks to the the time and patience others have shown me. Eternally grateful.

It's probably made me a better pilot as well.

The only problem with the online forum is the difficulty in assessing tone of the words typed.
I agree with you.

I planned to GoPro every flight and had permission from the instructor and the school to do so, but soon realised that after a few videos it was not relevant and it was better to concentrate on learning to fly!
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