2018 Light Aircraft Association AGM award vote
I see tct has posted on LAA forum. She says she will be at the AGM. I would like to ask her if she intends to tell the truth for once and answer the questions that have been asked many times without a straight answer.
The LAA must remain united on this and not turn on itself.*
Accept that in 2014 an award was given in good faith based upon what was known then.
Accept that in 2016 an award was rightly removed as lots of lies were exposed.
Accept that in 2018, the only correct course of action is to strengthen the resolve to keep that award away from TCT as even more lies have been uncovered.
Only one person / group has failed in this and that is TCT and Bird in a Biplane. Listen to today's broadcast on 5 Live and you can hear the lies continuing.
* It is like watching the fish-wife revel over the husband and the boyfriend slogging it out over her. Not really interested in the outcome or either of them, just happy that she is the centre of attention. A scene played out in pubs and clubs across the uk every Saturday night. What pees them off the most is when the blokes shake hands and go to the bar for a pint.
The LAA must remain united on this and not turn on itself.*
Accept that in 2014 an award was given in good faith based upon what was known then.
Accept that in 2016 an award was rightly removed as lots of lies were exposed.
Accept that in 2018, the only correct course of action is to strengthen the resolve to keep that award away from TCT as even more lies have been uncovered.
Only one person / group has failed in this and that is TCT and Bird in a Biplane. Listen to today's broadcast on 5 Live and you can hear the lies continuing.
* It is like watching the fish-wife revel over the husband and the boyfriend slogging it out over her. Not really interested in the outcome or either of them, just happy that she is the centre of attention. A scene played out in pubs and clubs across the uk every Saturday night. What pees them off the most is when the blokes shake hands and go to the bar for a pint.
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One of the founders of Matrix Chambers was Cherrie Booth, aka Cherrie Blair, wife of our former Prime Minister Tony Bliar. Right shower of publicity seekers, from my experience.
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Last time there were more TCT supporters in the room than not.
Someone needs to check how a vote of no confidence in the board or a member of it is proposed and voted on.
It *could* be part of the end game. The motions certainly aren’t, as they are easily defeated. What would happen if a vote of no confidence in the chairman happened?
would *someone else* get to decide the fate of the proxy votes?
Personally, I think TCT is getting the award back, the interesting question is how?
Someone needs to check how a vote of no confidence in the board or a member of it is proposed and voted on.
It *could* be part of the end game. The motions certainly aren’t, as they are easily defeated. What would happen if a vote of no confidence in the chairman happened?
would *someone else* get to decide the fate of the proxy votes?
Personally, I think TCT is getting the award back, the interesting question is how?
Still with her finger hard on the transmit button apparently:
This last night on Twitter ( via Google) :
"Loved speaking to@BBC #EyeoftheStorm - thank you @bbc5live for having me on to tell my story: https://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/play/p06nkhpr …"
This last night on Twitter ( via Google) :
"Loved speaking to
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Last time there were more TCT supporters in the room than not.
Someone needs to check how a vote of no confidence in the board or a member of it is proposed and voted on.
It *could* be part of the end game. The motions certainly aren’t, as they are easily defeated. What would happen if a vote of no confidence in the chairman happened?
would *someone else* get to decide the fate of the proxy votes?
Personally, I think TCT is getting the award back, the interesting question is how?
Someone needs to check how a vote of no confidence in the board or a member of it is proposed and voted on.
It *could* be part of the end game. The motions certainly aren’t, as they are easily defeated. What would happen if a vote of no confidence in the chairman happened?
would *someone else* get to decide the fate of the proxy votes?
Personally, I think TCT is getting the award back, the interesting question is how?
I hope it is not returned. I don't think what she did merited an award in the first place. I really object to her conduct in her campaign as well. Lets hope people vote.
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Well either someone has told her she will win the vote (the insider?) or she has convinced herself that losing is unthinkable.
Should the vote go her way that will leave it open for her to blame the LAA for any losses TCT thinks she suffered after the 2016 vote. That won't be cheap. I hope the LAA has deep pockets.
Should the vote go her way that will leave it open for her to blame the LAA for any losses TCT thinks she suffered after the 2016 vote. That won't be cheap. I hope the LAA has deep pockets.
A lawyer would be helpful at this point, but I don't see how - if she did sue - she could succeed against an Association that has simply run democratic votes in accordance with it's (pretty standard) articles.
Forgive me for re-posting here from the TCT thread but I do feel it is perhaps relevant also to this LAA AGM post. (If not then feel free to remove)
Gives a little layman's simple perspective on the whole picture of the award.
The Award bestowed by the LAA to TCT in 2014 was the Bill Woodhams Trophy for outstanding feats of navigation, aviation, tenacity and endurance...
With the deciding factors known at the time, the Awards committee gave her the prize in all good faith it seems, that her flight's navigation from CPT to the UK was done ''alone'' and in the spirit of the ''old days'' of Lady Heath about 90 years ago.
(Lady Heath probably busted levels to look at nice waterfalls, lakes, flamingos, and big Colonial houses on the way)
IF that were all true then the prize perhaps would be correct.
Ah, but now we, and everyone else knows differently...Yes TCT undertook a rather long single engined biplane jaunt across Continents, and made a rather nice watchable BBC TV documentary about the journey but -
TCT was accompanied for that trip by a back-up team, including crew, engineering, operations, go-fors, sponsors & media. Thus NOT a SOLO flight nor solo achievements.
Gives a little layman's simple perspective on the whole picture of the award.
The Award bestowed by the LAA to TCT in 2014 was the Bill Woodhams Trophy for outstanding feats of navigation, aviation, tenacity and endurance...
With the deciding factors known at the time, the Awards committee gave her the prize in all good faith it seems, that her flight's navigation from CPT to the UK was done ''alone'' and in the spirit of the ''old days'' of Lady Heath about 90 years ago.
(Lady Heath probably busted levels to look at nice waterfalls, lakes, flamingos, and big Colonial houses on the way)
IF that were all true then the prize perhaps would be correct.
Ah, but now we, and everyone else knows differently...Yes TCT undertook a rather long single engined biplane jaunt across Continents, and made a rather nice watchable BBC TV documentary about the journey but -
TCT was accompanied for that trip by a back-up team, including crew, engineering, operations, go-fors, sponsors & media. Thus NOT a SOLO flight nor solo achievements.
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Rog, indeed.
Although the argument started over the solo aspect, and TCT defended that stubbornly until the evidence was overwhelming, this really is as you describe. It’s about the overall “feat” but lately it has also become more about integrity.
Do the LAA want someone who has behaved in this manner, and threatened them with lawyers to get her way, to be seen as someone worthy of their award and endorsement? There seem to be some fine people within the LAA who were fooled like the rest of us and are now being vilified for that. TCT has a lot to answer for.
Although the argument started over the solo aspect, and TCT defended that stubbornly until the evidence was overwhelming, this really is as you describe. It’s about the overall “feat” but lately it has also become more about integrity.
Do the LAA want someone who has behaved in this manner, and threatened them with lawyers to get her way, to be seen as someone worthy of their award and endorsement? There seem to be some fine people within the LAA who were fooled like the rest of us and are now being vilified for that. TCT has a lot to answer for.
rog747. The weasel wording excuse of course is that the word "solo" is not mentioned in the commendation.
This is fatuous. Every day men and women pilots are flying all over Africa,including up to Europe, solo and in crews, some in "open cock-pit" biplanes and some even in microlights.
The ONLY justification (and that would have been a slim one) would be if TC-T were truly solo.
She wasn't by a long chalk and this fact was not made apparent at the time.
This is fatuous. Every day men and women pilots are flying all over Africa,including up to Europe, solo and in crews, some in "open cock-pit" biplanes and some even in microlights.
The ONLY justification (and that would have been a slim one) would be if TC-T were truly solo.
She wasn't by a long chalk and this fact was not made apparent at the time.
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Don't let the misrepresentation of "solo" be a smokescreen here, and play into Tracey's hands. The LAA award is not about solo, it's about a feat of navigation. Yes, Tracey lied about being solo, but in this situation, that's a sideline issue. Was her accomplishment a "feat of navigation" worthy of award?
This. For my understanding, association awards are usually offered to members in good standing. Is a person in good standing with their association (the people) if they are threatening lawsuits at the same time? Not in my opinion! I think that the membership should not be having to consider her for reinstatement of an award, they should be voting if she even meets the expectations of being a member in good standing!
It is painfully obvious that Tracey is trying to have the award restored to bolster her public image (she sure is not getting anywhere with improving her image with her peers!). I wonder why the effort, Tracey is obviously able to spin the story her way frequently, she should just give up this embarrassing effort of assault upon the LAA, and go around saying that she was awarded the LAA "feat of navigation award" - because she was! She can just forget to state it was later withdrawn, as she forgets to later state so many other facts which come to light!
Do the LAA want someone who has behaved in this manner, and threatened them with lawyers to get her way, to be seen as someone worthy of their award and endorsement?
It is painfully obvious that Tracey is trying to have the award restored to bolster her public image (she sure is not getting anywhere with improving her image with her peers!). I wonder why the effort, Tracey is obviously able to spin the story her way frequently, she should just give up this embarrassing effort of assault upon the LAA, and go around saying that she was awarded the LAA "feat of navigation award" - because she was! She can just forget to state it was later withdrawn, as she forgets to later state so many other facts which come to light!
The LAA award is not about solo, it's about a feat of navigation.
I'll put money on it that every member of the award team believed, as did everyone else, that she was flying solo.
It is apparent from media coverage at the time that nobody even thought to say, 'Are you doing this solo?' quite simply because the background so obviously gave the impression she was - and of course, everyone believed this was the whole premise of the trip because T C-T kept banging on about 'retracing Lady Mary Heath's solo journey'.
Fast forward to today. Would the award team really give an award, with such a high achievement bar, to someone doing a tour of Africa with navigation equipment, a second pilot and a back-up crew doing all the planning?
Thank you all for your inputs -
My take is on it that if she (and her co-pilot) had used a Boy's Own Atlas and a pocket compass to navigate her (their) way home to Blighty then YES that is deserving of recognition in the spirit of the flight she undertook.
- but NO she had modern digital and highly accurate satellite NAV equipment
Beggars Belief as to why she thinks she can continue her antics and bullying
My take is on it that if she (and her co-pilot) had used a Boy's Own Atlas and a pocket compass to navigate her (their) way home to Blighty then YES that is deserving of recognition in the spirit of the flight she undertook.
- but NO she had modern digital and highly accurate satellite NAV equipment
Beggars Belief as to why she thinks she can continue her antics and bullying
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but NO she had modern digital and highly accurate satellite NAV equipment
The LAA, like any organization, has a leadership. It's time for these chosen leaders to lead the LAA members into a place of pride on this issue. Sure, the members should vote on it, it's a democracy. But the leaders should assure that all of the facts of the situation are well understood by the members, so their voting is informed, and represents the interests of the association! If an LAA leader is suppressing information, or influencing members to an uninformed decision, that leader should be replaced.
There is no evidence of any such suppression happening, and to suggest that there is makes this sorry situation even worse.
We should stick to the point - the vote - and stop the conspiracy theories about the LAA committees and Board.
We should stick to the point - the vote - and stop the conspiracy theories about the LAA committees and Board.
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Suppression is too strong a term, I withdraw it. I have read here references to "the whole story" being less than ideally available to LAA members. I don't suggest it was deliberately suppressed, though did the LAA leadership assure that facts were available to members to consider in light of the presentations attributed to Tracey recently?
Derek Lamb wrote of the mess caused by this re-opening the debate:
"It has damaged our reputation and made us look misogynistic. We need to be generous and fix it.... Let’s play the game in a way that makes us attractive to young women and men, and encourages them to join us."
Better to be (wrongly) judged misogynistic for maintaining the integrity and honour of the LAA for its members by sticking to one's principles, than to be judged sycophantic and spineless by giving in to threats and pandering to an egotistical, self-centred bully in a high-stakes game where there can be no winners.
Nothing could be less attractive to members - both present and future prospective members - than being encouraged to sacrifice all integrity and honour by "play[ing] the game" simply to appease just one member. The members deserve better.
If ever there was a time to vote on integrity and principles, to 'cut out the cancer that eats from within', now is that time, if the LAA hopes to survive with what might remain of the loyal membership.
"It has damaged our reputation and made us look misogynistic. We need to be generous and fix it.... Let’s play the game in a way that makes us attractive to young women and men, and encourages them to join us."
Better to be (wrongly) judged misogynistic for maintaining the integrity and honour of the LAA for its members by sticking to one's principles, than to be judged sycophantic and spineless by giving in to threats and pandering to an egotistical, self-centred bully in a high-stakes game where there can be no winners.
Nothing could be less attractive to members - both present and future prospective members - than being encouraged to sacrifice all integrity and honour by "play[ing] the game" simply to appease just one member. The members deserve better.
If ever there was a time to vote on integrity and principles, to 'cut out the cancer that eats from within', now is that time, if the LAA hopes to survive with what might remain of the loyal membership.
Even if the BW Trophy were restored to TCT it would be virtually meaningless. She has lost the respect of most of the aviation community and looks unlikely to regain it. Most pilots would be devastated if they lost the respect of their colleagues.