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2018 Light Aircraft Association AGM award vote

Old 15th Oct 2018, 12:07
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That is sad to hear. Begs the question if it is the sort of information a member should be posting publicly if it has not been made public by the Chairman himself. Where has she got that information from?

Unless I have missed it, I don't recall seeing anything about it elsewhere through "official" channels.

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That letter from Matrix Chambers is not to the LAA - it is to 'Jay Sata' and is an accusation of harassment. Which was fair enough, tbh.
There are ones that have been directed at the LAA.

In her post at point one she says
1. I have not threatened the LAA with any kind of litigation, nor has anyone done so on my behalf. The Chairman is incorrect to assert this in his statement. I have already stated my willingness for all correspondence from my solicitor and myself to be published to make that point.
yet in Brian Davies statement he says (my bold):

Within weeks of the Motion being passed, the LAA received a letter from Tracey Curtis-Taylor's lawyers, requesting that we reverse the decision of the AGM which, of course, we could not do. This was followed by a further three letters, culminating in a threat of legal action against the LAA and/or its officers
Both can't be true and I know who I would believe.
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Old 15th Oct 2018, 14:20
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Originally Posted by SATCOS WHIPPING BOY View Post
1. I have not threatened the LAA with any kind of litigation, nor has anyone done so on my behalf. The Chairman is incorrect to assert this in his statement. I have already stated my willingness for all correspondence from my solicitor and myself to be published to make that point.
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Ms Curtis-Taylor appears not to have engaged a solicitor. The letter published earlier from the legal practice selected to represent TCT has a minor typo. A quick google using the correct surname reveals that she has engaged a barrister at Matrix Chambers which is in a totally different league to a solicitor. A good friend is in the same line of work and her going rate is close to 800 per hour. She is supported by clerks and others so the term "legal team" appears to be more correct than incorrect.

I have commented to my learned friend that the purpose of a barrister is to separate a fool from their money. She didn't answer but smiled.

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Old 15th Oct 2018, 14:28
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Originally Posted by SATCOS WHIPPING BOY View Post
There are ones that have been directed at the LAA.
Oh, yes and I'd welcome seeing those. But I was replying specifically to SND who suggested that the posted legal letter - which had some specific allegations - was aimed at the LAA. It wasn't, so those allegations do not necessarily apply to the LAA.

On another note, Ms C-T has now said several times that one of her complaints is that she was not given the opportunity to make her case to Proxy and Postal voters at the 2016 AGM.

It occurs to me that she has now had 2 years to compellingly make that case, and in particular has had the last few weeks to address it for this AGM. So that complaint can no longer be made.
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Old 15th Oct 2018, 16:21
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Email in this morning from LAA...

Dear LAA Member



Due to an especially high level of interest in voting at the 2018 AGM we are having to ascertain whether the existing meeting room is big enough, or whether we need to move to a larger facility at Sywell.



If you are planning to attend, can you mail [email protected] with the word YES in the subject box, so we can better ascertain numbers for this coming Sunday, 21st October.



Thank you.
I'm almost tempted to go. Almost - I think a stamp will do!

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Old 15th Oct 2018, 16:51
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My wife and I are both long time members of the LAA. We've sent our vote supporting re-instatement of TC-Ts award. Whether she is right or wrong or, Mrs. Mitty I care not. We did so to offset the tsunami of bile that says as much about the spitefulness of many contributors as gross exaggeration does perhaps with some of TC-Ts alleged claims.
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Old 15th Oct 2018, 17:08
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Capt Kremmen - obviously your votes are your business. IF however you think this is going to make things 'go away' or 'make them right' I'm afraid you are likely to be disappointed.

From the postings of David Mole and Brian Davies, the whole governance issue of the LAA is likely to be back 'in play'. The idea that meetings must be confidential and the directors are acting in the best interests of the association by ensuring the shareholders are in the dark, but people threatening the association are in the light, simply staggers me.
We are heading for the association being split into a technical company - much like deHavilland Support and the free dinner. back slapping nonsense that the current directors have been indulging themselves can come to an end - no sensible people would fund it.
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Old 15th Oct 2018, 17:14
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From the LAA forum...

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by Tracey Curtis-Taylor Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:21 am
It is important to note that Brian Davies has stepped down as Chairman of the LAA.
Follow up to the above post - here is a recent post by Brian Hope on the LAA forum:
You can't beat a bit of innuendo can you.
It's certainly not my place to say why Brian has decided not to stand for the Board again, but rest assured Ms Taylor, it certainly has nothing to do with you.
As has been suggested, read Brian's last report (P5) in the latest magazine and you will see some of the progress that has happened under his watch. I would add handling the 2016 AGM with the utmost fairness and integrity to that list.
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Old 15th Oct 2018, 18:01
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Originally Posted by Capt Kremmen View Post
My wife and I are both long time members of the LAA. We've sent our vote supporting re-instatement of TC-Ts award. Whether she is right or wrong or, Mrs. Mitty I care not. We did so to offset the tsunami of bile that says as much about the spitefulness of many contributors as gross exaggeration does perhaps with some of TC-Ts alleged claims.
Clearly your votes are your business: do you not see any issue of morality in this whole affair ?? You seem to be voting for the motions simply because T C-T has been subjected to " a tsunami of bile that says as much about the spitefulness of many contributors ". Has Tracey really been subjected to that much of a "tsunami" and even if she has, has she not brought a great deal of it upon herself??
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Old 15th Oct 2018, 18:51
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My wife and I are both long time members of the LAA. We've sent our vote supporting re-instatement of TC-Ts award. Whether she is right or wrong or, Mrs. Mitty I care not. We did so to offset the tsunami of bile that says as much about the spitefulness of many contributors as gross exaggeration does perhaps with some of TC-Ts alleged claims.
I just don't get it. If you don't show the evidence, how can you expose the lies? Here it is, the biggest lie of all. If you genuinely think this doesn't matter, or 'So what if she didn't actually do it?' then what the hell is the point of bothering to push our limits or achieve what we can?

Are things so bad that two bare-faced lies such as these are 'acceptable' just to hope that everything goes away? What is more, she still insists that she never said she flew solo and that people who say she did are, 'making foul accusations', 'are trolls',and 'misogynists'. How can any decent pilot be anything other than embarrassed by someone bringing our sport and hobby into such disrepute?

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Old 15th Oct 2018, 18:54
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Originally Posted by Capt Kremmen View Post
My wife and I are both long time members of the LAA. We've sent our vote supporting re-instatement of TC-Ts award. Whether she is right or wrong or, Mrs. Mitty I care not. We did so to offset the tsunami of bile that says as much about the spitefulness of many contributors as gross exaggeration does perhaps with some of TC-Ts alleged claims.
As if the thread drift wasn't bad enough, we now have vote drift. When you are unable to decide how to vote, you should abstain, not vote for the apparent underdog on the basis that she's brought a hard time on herself.

This is not a game, this is a turning point in the history of the LAA, and deserves the full consideration of every member.
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Old 15th Oct 2018, 20:48
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Another response from Miss Curtis-Taylor, but seemingly there has been nothing to address the questions put to her on the LAA Forum?

by Tracey Curtis-Taylor Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:25 pm

It is important that the Chairman is standing down because it means that the outcome of the 2018 AGM motions has no bearing on his future standing; it was worth pointing out because this had evidently not registered with some members. I do not know why he is stepping down. The consequences of the 2016 motion have taken up his time and put him under pressure; but this situation would never have arisen had the LAA Board not allowed its AGM to be used as a vehicle for a campaign of personal retribution by Mr Rutherford and friends.

I now know what the Chairman had in mind when he referred to my threatening legal action. A letter in December 2017 from my solicitor put several questions from me to which he had previously not responded, preceded with the rider that I reserved my right to legal action: this is customary. Our present Secretary anticipated even before the 2016 motion was presented that I might reasonably seek a judicial review were it to pass, but it has never been my desire to start litigation against the LAA Board even if I had the financial resources to do such a thing.
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Old 15th Oct 2018, 21:10
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Originally Posted by SATCOS WHIPPING BOY View Post
There are ones that have been directed at the LAA.

In her post at point one she says

"1. I have not threatened the LAA with any kind of litigation, nor has anyone done so on my behalf. The Chairman is incorrect to assert this in his statement. I have already stated my willingness for all correspondence from my solicitor and myself to be published to make that point."

yet in Brian Davies statement he says (my bold):

"Within weeks of the Motion being passed, the LAA received a letter from Tracey Curtis-Taylor's lawyers, requesting that we reverse the decision of the AGM which, of course, we could not do. This was followed by a further three letters, culminating in a threat of legal action against the LAA and/or its officers "


Both can't be true and I know who I would believe.
Later, from T C--T:

"I now know what the Chairman had in mind when he referred to my threatening legal action. A letter in December 2017 from my solicitor put several questions from me to which he had previously not responded, preceded with the rider that I reserved my right to legal action: this is customary. "

The Chairman was obviously referring to , uh hum, your threat of legal action, then. Glad that little 'misunderstanding' has been cleared up now that the facts you hoped wouldn't come out have, uh hum, come out.

Just look at how many lies have had to be made to cover up for the refusal to admit early on to that very first BIG lie, and now all the little ones are gradually being proven to be lies too. A house of cards. And really quite funny to watch. As has been said before, when will someone take pity on her and forcibly take away her spade?
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Old 15th Oct 2018, 21:38
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I do recall a wise person of past times being quoted as saying something like: "I don't agree with what you say, but I defend your right to say it.". Let's apply the same courtesy to those who may express how they choose to vote at the AGM.
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 04:39
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Unfortunately it is not just the two lies that clareprop points out, but she continues to tell bare-faced lie after bare-faced lie. Claiming that the slide refers to Ms Heath's flight, claiming that she was not given the chance to defend herself, claiming that legal action was never threatened, slandering the Winslow FBO with water-in-fuel claims, and so on.

These lies are trivial to disprove, and this combined with the absurd claims of misogyny and refusal to answer the very simple and direct questions posed (while simultaneously complaining that she's not been given an opportunity to respond) shows that she really holds the rest of the GA community in contempt.

Tracey approached me asking for information about my own very poor experiences with Sam's company in 2013, to support her own claims. Given her behaviour in recent days there's no way I'd be inclined to assist her now.

I have not seen any "campaign of bile" directed in Tracey's direction, but I have seen a great deal of frustration in her complete refusal to engage, and constant digging-of-the-hole. I suspect that this will drive a lot of the voting.
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 07:25
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I've met so many people that have saved and sacrificed to fulfil their dream of flying. TCTs entitlement attitude is not what I associate with the majority of the aviation population and I don't want her to be seen as a representative of it. My postal vote is in and against the reinstatement of her award.
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 13:31
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I'm not a member of the LAA, so I haven't an axe to grind either way... but reading the threads on here, on the LAA forum and on other places leaves me in no doubt that were I to be an LAA member I'd be voting against the reinstatement of this award.

How she can hide behind her ever-changing story of 'I never said it was solo', 'I was sole manipulator of the controls', 'sole pilot' etc. and blame it on the media, her web designers, etc. etc. etc. getting it wrong is beyond me. How she can spout on the LAA forum about not being given the right of reply, whilst spectacularly failing to answer the questions that are repeatedly put to her is just astonishing.

And then to go on about it all being due to misogyny? That's the biggest delusion she has going. It has nothing to do with that, it's got everything to do with the way that she's conducted herself.
In my opinion this whole thing smacks of her needing the award to further (or even restore?) her brand so she can strike some TV deals.

A feat of navigation? I'm only a 100hr PPL, but I'm pretty sure given the budget, support crew and an experienced pilot sat in the plane with me I could do that trip.

Not that gender should come in to it, but if we're looking at a role model for female pilots then you don't have to look too much further than Carol Vorderman, in my opinion. Absolute aviation geek and ambassador for the Air Cadets who actually seems to take that honour seriously and is frequently at various ATC parades, events etc. I think she was looking to do a 'round the world' trip the other year before some personal circumstances got in the way - I hope she resurrects that idea as I'd have enjoyed seeing that.

I'll be interested to see which way this vote goes, although I suspect I already know. This will possibly end up having the opposite effect that TCT was looking for...
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 13:57
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If only it wasn't too late for a third motion.

The first two say that "The award should not have been taken away." & "The award should be given back."

We could do with a motion of "She didn't deserve it, rescinding it was the right thing to do, and she's never getting it back."
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 16:13
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Not that gender should come in to it, but if we're looking at a role model for female pilots then you don't have to look too much further than Carol Vorderman, in my opinion. Absolute aviation geek and ambassador for the Air Cadets who actually seems to take that honour seriously and is frequently at various ATC parades, events etc. I think she was looking to do a 'round the world' trip the other year before some personal circumstances got in the way - I hope she resurrects that idea as I'd have enjoyed seeing that.
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Another female pilot who deserves a mention is Polly Vacher.....take a look on Wikipedia. Never a recipient of the Woodhams Trophy, although in my view she would have been an honourable recipient. Don't know if the LAA honoured her in any other way.
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 16:17
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What about this for another motion ?

I've e-mailed a letter to the LAA suggesting that if time and the Articles of Association permit, they should postpone the coming AGM and substitute an Extraordinary General Meeting the purpose of which is to debate the following motion:

" No member shall exercise voting rights at an AGM unless they are currently a member and have been so for five consecutive years".

It might be possible to run the EGM followed by the AGM - time permitting.

If adopted, this will at least get rid of the 'carpetbaggers and mischief makers intent on disrupting and reshaping the Meeting to their own ends.

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Old 16th Oct 2018, 16:22
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What about this for another motion ?

I've e-mailed a letter to the LAA suggesting that if time and the Articles of Association permit, they should either postpone the coming AGM and substitute an Extraordinary General Meeting the purpose of which is to debate the following motion:

" No member shall exercise voting rights at an AGM unless they are currently a member and have been so for five consecutive years".

It might be possible to run the EGM followed by the AGM - time permitting.

If adopted, this will at least get rid of the 'carpetbaggers and mischief makers intent on disrupting and reshaping the Meeting to their own ends.
You have to wait for five years before you can have a (voting) say in the running of the organisation ?? That does not seem quite right.
To me, if you are a paid up member you have a vote......period.
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