Maurice Kirk is in Africa
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Having viewed the video below it raises a number of questions:
Veteran British pilot Maurice Kirk has had his share of mishaps... Stock Footage Video | Getty Images
(a) Maurice looks much it better health than we were let to believe, he can walk.
(b) Maurice is talking to someone on the phone in the video about asking MAF to help him. How odd because this was suggested as a possibility on this thread by myself. But on the basis he looks able to catch a taxi to Juba airport, and take a commercial flight to London via Nairobi. He is not really a suitable candidate for MAF as they have better things to do.
(c) If he doesn't have any money, the consulate in Juba would lend him the money for tickets under the FCO repatriation.
(d) Maurice's daughter BK, runs an expedition business, including for the likes of Ray Mears and Bear Gryls, so surely she can surely arrange to fly him back to the UK.
(e) Why does Maurice not just leave South Sudan for his own health, to avoid arrest, to avoid imminent civil war?
(f) Who is the western woman in the video, a journalist?
(g) Is Maurice waiting for someone to buy his story as has been suggested on here.
(h) Has Maurice reported his accidents to the AAIB in respect of G-KURK and G-KIRK.
(i) Will the UK CAA suspend his licence, based partly on on his own admission and the comments by Sam Rutherford, flying without a compass, charts and demonstrating his inability to navigate.
Finally, Maurice if you are reading this, as we know you have internet access, a few of us were prepared to help you, but I have come to the conclusion you have been 'crying wolf', you quite capable of get on a jet back to the UK, within twenty four hours, I see no reason why Kenya would not allow you entry. In respect of your aircraft, you chose to fly into a war zone over South Sudan against the Foreign Office advice which probably invalidated your insurance.
Veteran British pilot Maurice Kirk has had his share of mishaps... Stock Footage Video | Getty Images
(a) Maurice looks much it better health than we were let to believe, he can walk.
(b) Maurice is talking to someone on the phone in the video about asking MAF to help him. How odd because this was suggested as a possibility on this thread by myself. But on the basis he looks able to catch a taxi to Juba airport, and take a commercial flight to London via Nairobi. He is not really a suitable candidate for MAF as they have better things to do.
(c) If he doesn't have any money, the consulate in Juba would lend him the money for tickets under the FCO repatriation.
(d) Maurice's daughter BK, runs an expedition business, including for the likes of Ray Mears and Bear Gryls, so surely she can surely arrange to fly him back to the UK.
(e) Why does Maurice not just leave South Sudan for his own health, to avoid arrest, to avoid imminent civil war?
(f) Who is the western woman in the video, a journalist?
(g) Is Maurice waiting for someone to buy his story as has been suggested on here.
(h) Has Maurice reported his accidents to the AAIB in respect of G-KURK and G-KIRK.
(i) Will the UK CAA suspend his licence, based partly on on his own admission and the comments by Sam Rutherford, flying without a compass, charts and demonstrating his inability to navigate.
Finally, Maurice if you are reading this, as we know you have internet access, a few of us were prepared to help you, but I have come to the conclusion you have been 'crying wolf', you quite capable of get on a jet back to the UK, within twenty four hours, I see no reason why Kenya would not allow you entry. In respect of your aircraft, you chose to fly into a war zone over South Sudan against the Foreign Office advice which probably invalidated your insurance.
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"Or he could instruct a legally qualified lawyer".
Indeed. Or even a pro bono lawyer.
I'm unsure what is going on with the vintage air rally at the moment but the aircraft tracking is suggesting that they are quite spread apart.
Helipaddy Team 21 is way off route and in Botswana if the tracking is correct.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...40915558,d.d24
Indeed. Or even a pro bono lawyer.
I'm unsure what is going on with the vintage air rally at the moment but the aircraft tracking is suggesting that they are quite spread apart.
Helipaddy Team 21 is way off route and in Botswana if the tracking is correct.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...40915558,d.d24
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Surely it is not crying wolf where he has landed in a war zone?
He has a damaged aircraft?
He has an infected leg and a form of malaria?
And that if he flees to the UK now he will land into a legal war where he in reality better off not being in the UK?
His long term plans are openly on the internet on making this his real big flying trip to not just the Cape of S Africa but also beyond.
Rather than going around in circles in disputes the UK, that may mean even more disputes that escalate, surely he is reasonable to 'find a way' to get well in a hotel and 'find a way' to fly on? Even for a real big trip ?
So how can he best 'find a way' to fly on for a real big trip ?
He has a damaged aircraft?
He has an infected leg and a form of malaria?
And that if he flees to the UK now he will land into a legal war where he in reality better off not being in the UK?
His long term plans are openly on the internet on making this his real big flying trip to not just the Cape of S Africa but also beyond.
Rather than going around in circles in disputes the UK, that may mean even more disputes that escalate, surely he is reasonable to 'find a way' to get well in a hotel and 'find a way' to fly on? Even for a real big trip ?
So how can he best 'find a way' to fly on for a real big trip ?
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So how can he best 'find a way' to fly on for a real big trip ?
Rather than going around in circles in disputes the UK, that may mean even more disputes that escalate,
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Onmybike i must admit, i really don't fully understand. He is either head-locked in metally challenging legal disputes OR he is going to concentrate on getting his butt out of Southern Sudan with a move to Nairobi where medical assistance would be so much better.
From there he can concentrate on the repair [if he has managed to salvage the Cub] and the route down to the Cape. That alone will be mentally challenging.
His Facebook is just a tale of riddles which I cannot fathom out. Many people have asked him various questions but his responses are incoherent.
So how can he best 'find a way' to fly on for a real big trip ?
Your guess is as good as mine.
"that means that there is another party, who may have credible claims against Mr. Kirk. In fairness, such claims should be heard."
Step you owe me a keyboard :-) [if only you knew. I think Mr Kirk would agree with you on the former and latter count]
From there he can concentrate on the repair [if he has managed to salvage the Cub] and the route down to the Cape. That alone will be mentally challenging.
His Facebook is just a tale of riddles which I cannot fathom out. Many people have asked him various questions but his responses are incoherent.
So how can he best 'find a way' to fly on for a real big trip ?
Your guess is as good as mine.
"that means that there is another party, who may have credible claims against Mr. Kirk. In fairness, such claims should be heard."
Step you owe me a keyboard :-) [if only you knew. I think Mr Kirk would agree with you on the former and latter count]
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Many people have asked him various questions but his responses are incoherent.
Judging entirely from the outside looking in, Mr. Kirk seems to me to be a person who's mind may not be up to the task of a "big trip" for a little while. Ignoring warning signs is irresponsible.
Jetblu, I'll have a look around here for extra keyboards, I have some somewhere - though I don't really understand....
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In my view Step Turn's comment is spot on. What can be added is the issue around how do people improve from that state of mind. With Maurice there may be a fine balance that Maurice can improve very much by his flying adventures, that are not too challenging.
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A Pro Bono Lawyer would still be a legally qualified lawyer. As it happens, MK telephoned me a couple of years ago out of the blue regarding his machine gun case. I offered to look at it Pro Bono and give him an opinion. I heard no more from him.
If he could afford the entry fee for the Africa run he could afford to instruct a lawyer. It would have been a fraction of that cost. In my career I have come across a number of people who have represented themselves or gone to McKenzie friends. Many of them were people who could have afforded proper representation and by not getting such they ended up losing their cases and/or far more out of pocket than had they been properly represented. Sometimes the problem is that they are people who do not accept the (correct) advice they are given because they know better. Earlier this year I represented an individual in the Court of Appeal who had represented himself at trial. I did so Pro Bono because I believed that had he had professional representation he would have had a good chance of winning. The problem was that he took numerous bad points and the not the good ones that were in his favour. He had already served a prison sentence by the time he got to the appeal court
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A Pro Bono Lawyer would still be a legally qualified lawyer. As it happens, MK telephoned me a couple of years ago out of the blue regarding his machine gun case. I offered to look at it Pro Bono and give him an opinion. I heard no more from him.
If he could afford the entry fee for the Africa run he could afford to instruct a lawyer. It would have been a fraction of that cost. In my career I have come across a number of people who have represented themselves or gone to McKenzie friends. Many of them were people who could have afforded proper representation and by not getting such they ended up losing their cases and/or far more out of pocket than had they been properly represented. Sometimes the problem is that they are people who do not accept the (correct) advice they are given because they know better. Earlier this year I represented an individual in the Court of Appeal who had represented himself at trial. I did so Pro Bono because I believed that had he had professional representation he would have had a good chance of winning. The problem was that he took numerous bad points and the not the good ones that were in his favour. He had already served a prison sentence by the time he got to the appeal court
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Legalapproach I can't argue with the crux of your submission, you are of course right. Well done with the Pro Bono offer. Like the old saying, "you can take the horse to the water but......."
StepTurn You said, "who may have credible claims against Mr. Kirk."
I was reading that passage whilst sipping bottled water. It made me laugh imagining what MK's reply to that might be. Don't worry, my keyboard is fine.
It was a joke.
Onmybike You're right. MK always some how manages it, but I fear this time the whole scenario is just a bit beyond his reach. I really do hope [for him] that he can pull this one out of the bag.
StepTurn You said, "who may have credible claims against Mr. Kirk."
I was reading that passage whilst sipping bottled water. It made me laugh imagining what MK's reply to that might be. Don't worry, my keyboard is fine.
It was a joke.
Onmybike You're right. MK always some how manages it, but I fear this time the whole scenario is just a bit beyond his reach. I really do hope [for him] that he can pull this one out of the bag.
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I was reading that passage whilst sipping bottled water.
. 'Glad you weren't drinking chocolate milk, you never really get it all cleaned out of a keyboard!Mr. Kirk's apparently adventurous past is not well known in Canada, so I'm still catching up!
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Legalapproach is of course correct, the UK court system really isn't geared up for litigants in person (LIP), because they can't match the skill sets that of lawyers and judges. The outcome for a LIP will never be as good when compared with someone who is represented. While Maurice claims to have no money, I'm sure he has hidden assets, because every time he loses a court case he will have costs of the other side awarded against him, by his own admission he has given away all his properties, why?
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As if by magic - a piece in the Law Society Gazette today:
[URL]https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/law/judge-calls-for-lip-powers-after-court-bombarded-with-emails/5059119.article"/URL]
[URL]https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/law/judge-calls-for-lip-powers-after-court-bombarded-with-emails/5059119.article"/URL]
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Taking this statement at face value (as I have no opinion myself), anyone who is reported as being incoherent, yet planning a "big trip" must take a step back and evaluate their situation. I once interceded when I was aware a friend was going flying, and he was at present in an incoherent rage about something I've long since forgotten. I told him he was medically unfit to fly at the moment. He stopped, paused, and calmly said to me that I was right, and he would calm down before he flew. Everything worked out fine.
Judging entirely from the outside looking in, Mr. Kirk seems to me to be a person who's mind may not be up to the task of a "big trip" for a little while. Ignoring warning signs is irresponsible.
Judging entirely from the outside looking in, Mr. Kirk seems to me to be a person who's mind may not be up to the task of a "big trip" for a little while. Ignoring warning signs is irresponsible.
Nobody, no matter how close or trusted, expert or well-meaning, could tell Maurice anything. Nobody.
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We have explanation why he started web postings about things from 20 years ago.
It was not him choosing to focus on the past, but on around 3 December 2016 onwards he would have been emailed a Court Order of what to do next about issues 20 years ago, from the Judges personal assistant in the big cluster of his civil claim cases.
https://mauricejohnkirk.wordpress.com/
In this case he mentions here, he is the claimant in a civil court claim regards bullying/abuse of power by police, meaning for example he says local police unfairly find excuses to arrest or prosecute him such as over 100 road traffic offence cases that he successfully defended (and as a LIP). But with that level of manufactured prosecutions that were unsuccessful meant he could not get on with his life.
His strategies can often be rational, but he is too worn out to reply coherently.
The oral hearings in this case started in the autumn of 2010 and things have been relentless since then. It can be argued that during a civil court claim that police bully him and abuse their power, the same police arranged he was also locked up as from 2011 for essentially (though may be unwisely) saying the truth about a doctor.
My view is that any normal person would struggle in his situation. I would like to see him have break by resting up in a hotel in Africa or fly once he is medically recovered.
It was not him choosing to focus on the past, but on around 3 December 2016 onwards he would have been emailed a Court Order of what to do next about issues 20 years ago, from the Judges personal assistant in the big cluster of his civil claim cases.
https://mauricejohnkirk.wordpress.com/
In this case he mentions here, he is the claimant in a civil court claim regards bullying/abuse of power by police, meaning for example he says local police unfairly find excuses to arrest or prosecute him such as over 100 road traffic offence cases that he successfully defended (and as a LIP). But with that level of manufactured prosecutions that were unsuccessful meant he could not get on with his life.
His strategies can often be rational, but he is too worn out to reply coherently.
The oral hearings in this case started in the autumn of 2010 and things have been relentless since then. It can be argued that during a civil court claim that police bully him and abuse their power, the same police arranged he was also locked up as from 2011 for essentially (though may be unwisely) saying the truth about a doctor.
My view is that any normal person would struggle in his situation. I would like to see him have break by resting up in a hotel in Africa or fly once he is medically recovered.
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Kirk could have saved himself a lot of grief regarding his veterinary issues if he had used a lawyer from day one.
He may be an excellent person with animals but he lacks people skills.
A lawyer takes his dog to a vet and the vet should have taken his problems to a lawyer.
In my opinion he would not be where he is now if he had stuck with the group.
The problems when they all got locked up should have raised a red flag.
He sadly departed on his own and now claims the organisers are to blame.
Sadly Maurice does not do risk assessment.
He now appears to be irrational
https://www.facebook.com/maurice.kirk.92?ref=br_rs
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Trying to elicit the truth is difficult.
This from his facebook page.
Source https://www.facebook.com/maurice.kirk.92?ref=br_rs
He may be an excellent person with animals but he lacks people skills.
A lawyer takes his dog to a vet and the vet should have taken his problems to a lawyer.
In my opinion he would not be where he is now if he had stuck with the group.
The problems when they all got locked up should have raised a red flag.
He sadly departed on his own and now claims the organisers are to blame.
Mr Sam Rutherford
Sir,
I am facing recovery costs that are increasing by the day and without a visa, either in and now out, with possibly no overflight clearances either were for Ethyopia or South Sudan, having refused me sight of them with the flight plans filed when leaving Khartoum, leaves me in further difficulties.
In September I indicated concern in that part of the proposed flight to which I partly relied on you, as I was going on another route anyway on my own if I could not find anyone interested in the front seat. I asked for the possibilities of my money back and leaving the rest to experience if I pulled out myself.
Revelations since suggest my fears may have been right all along.
May I suggest a one-off payment immediately into my bank account for my re patriation/medical attention and cost towards recovery for my aircraft into a non hostile country outside North or South Sudan
Urgent reply needed with future communications, only on this matter of compensastion, to be kept in total confidence or otherwise mutually agreed
thankyou
Sir,
I am facing recovery costs that are increasing by the day and without a visa, either in and now out, with possibly no overflight clearances either were for Ethyopia or South Sudan, having refused me sight of them with the flight plans filed when leaving Khartoum, leaves me in further difficulties.
In September I indicated concern in that part of the proposed flight to which I partly relied on you, as I was going on another route anyway on my own if I could not find anyone interested in the front seat. I asked for the possibilities of my money back and leaving the rest to experience if I pulled out myself.
Revelations since suggest my fears may have been right all along.
May I suggest a one-off payment immediately into my bank account for my re patriation/medical attention and cost towards recovery for my aircraft into a non hostile country outside North or South Sudan
Urgent reply needed with future communications, only on this matter of compensastion, to be kept in total confidence or otherwise mutually agreed
thankyou
He now appears to be irrational
https://www.facebook.com/maurice.kirk.92?ref=br_rs
Nurse says I can only recover in time to fly her out of the bramble patch for Table Top is plenty of TLC before my Narus school, I have decided to adopt, either uses her for a camping den or as great play- ground mega slide.
Nurse has also ordered, to be me build me up after losing 11kg in less days, is for substantial meals by the Nile, by candle light and for the dulcit tones of a Congalease band playing near-by under a mango tree. Even a local dancing lession was attempted but left the patient back almost to where he had started!
Yes, nurse, your were right...one step at a time.
Nurse has also ordered, to be me build me up after losing 11kg in less days, is for substantial meals by the Nile, by candle light and for the dulcit tones of a Congalease band playing near-by under a mango tree. Even a local dancing lession was attempted but left the patient back almost to where he had started!
Yes, nurse, your were right...one step at a time.
Trying to elicit the truth is difficult.
This from his facebook page.
Terry Holloway
Terry Holloway Maurice are the Embassy helping you in the way they should be? a
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Maurice Kirk
Maurice Kirk I am totally embarassed as the the lengths to which our local British Government officials, so often meleigned, have burnt the 'mid night oil' each time, in Osaka, when I had engine failure in the mountains near Kanazowa, when mistakenly detained first in Waco goal and then Texas' State Psychiatric Hospital, Austin, when reliant on more South Wales Police lies eminating from blackmailed Dr Tegwyn Williams and Professor Rodger Woods' flagrant lies, for cash and now this. Help from Juba's Consular team is exemplory but I was never offered a stiff G&T.
Terry Holloway Maurice are the Embassy helping you in the way they should be? a
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Maurice Kirk
Maurice Kirk I am totally embarassed as the the lengths to which our local British Government officials, so often meleigned, have burnt the 'mid night oil' each time, in Osaka, when I had engine failure in the mountains near Kanazowa, when mistakenly detained first in Waco goal and then Texas' State Psychiatric Hospital, Austin, when reliant on more South Wales Police lies eminating from blackmailed Dr Tegwyn Williams and Professor Rodger Woods' flagrant lies, for cash and now this. Help from Juba's Consular team is exemplory but I was never offered a stiff G&T.
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Thanks for posting from facebook. I avoid social media and can only read the front pages or direct links to a given page.
The post about the rally and payments makes more sense when linked to his and then Sam's comments to Maurice 7 dec 2016 on the rally facebook main front page.
The bit about the nurse and the girls school and Terry, makes sense. I can follow each word and also what he is really saying. He is worn out. But in it's simplest it means he is making an effort to get on well with people who matter. Well done Maurice if he reads this.
The post about the rally and payments makes more sense when linked to his and then Sam's comments to Maurice 7 dec 2016 on the rally facebook main front page.
The bit about the nurse and the girls school and Terry, makes sense. I can follow each word and also what he is really saying. He is worn out. But in it's simplest it means he is making an effort to get on well with people who matter. Well done Maurice if he reads this.
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The bit about the nurse and the girls school and Terry, makes sense. I can follow each word and also what he is really saying. He is worn out. But in it's simplest it means he is making an effort to get on well with people who matter. Well done Maurice if he reads this.