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Old 4th Dec 2016, 20:01
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I can assure everyone here that the Cub has a valid airworthiness permit. He wouldn't insult anyone's intelligence by blaming someone else for issues beyond their control.



As someone on another forum said "Maurice is like Marmite - you either like him or you don't"
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Old 4th Dec 2016, 20:21
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Well said Jetblue
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Old 4th Dec 2016, 20:31
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Originally Posted by Jetblu View Post
SND

I can assure everyone here that the Cub has a valid airworthiness permit. He wouldn't insult anyone's intelligence by blaming someone else for issues beyond their control
A LAA Permit is only valid in the Country of issue. It is required to be validated for every country to be overflown. I would love to see the Validations issued by Ethiopia, Sudan and some other dark places in Africa. Have you seen them JetBlu, or, to quote yourself so often, if this hearsay?
So how do you KNOW he has a valid Permit?

On the question of the flight to Jersey I'm sure you know that the landowner has to give permission to land . In this case it was refused so NOT good to go or divert.
They would no doubt have good valid reasons from past experience to withhold such permission.
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Old 4th Dec 2016, 20:40
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Well said Jetblu
Indeed..........well said. Trust Maurice's health problems will be soon sorted and G-KURK restored to airworthy condition so they can both make it safely to Cape Town. Thank you to all the folk who have help Maurice in one way or another.... Good on you !!!


If some loon was trying to drive his battered 1943 car from the UK to Cape Town and had a puncture and broke his suspension, and crunched his drive shaft (propeller) ...twice....and also found himself with no paperwork, in darkest Africa, who would suggest calling out the FCO, the Embassy, the RAF, the local S @R twice, or anyone else?
No one would give a toss.
Yes, yes there would be folk who would "give a toss". Shows someone is out there, just meeting a challenge.......

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Old 4th Dec 2016, 21:02
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Hmmm. "Well said" - Its been deleted, again.

"A LAA Permit is only valid in the Country of issue. It is required to be validated for every country to be overflown. I would love to see the Validations issued by Ethiopia, Sudan and some other dark places in Africa. Have you seen them JetBlu, or, to quote yourself so often, if this hearsay?
So how do you KNOW he has a valid Permit?"


Common sense prevails, that is how.

A renowned organiser took on just over 12 aircraft to fly Crete2Cape.
He arranged all paperwork logistics.

'IF' Maurice's paperwork is found to be out of order, so will all the others presumably.
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Old 4th Dec 2016, 21:28
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Admitted to a Juba clinic with diagnosed Malaria, a septicaemic leg, with a high white cell count and a fever.
That all sounds extremely nasty. I hope that the clinic can deal with those medical conditions and wish Mr Kirk a speedy recovery.
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Old 4th Dec 2016, 21:36
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Admitted to a Juba clinic with diagnosed Malaria, a septicaemic leg, with a high white cell count and a fever.
I had to look that up. Septicaemic includes in the description "life threatening". I think that the repair of his plane is one of his lesser concerns right now, and for weeks to come.

From my previous experience with several aircraft which were force landed, they must be guarded. Otherwise things happen to them. Maurice's best airplane help right now would simply to have the plane made secure for the duration.

If there is hull insurance, the insurer will usually pay for security, until the aircraft can be recovered. The pilot/owner has some responsibility to arrange this if they are able, though it sounds like Maurice made fairly not be able.

A don't know the England/Europe/Africa insurance market, so I speculate, but in North America, most aircraft insurance, and in particular the hull portion specifies geographical limitations, simply because the insurer does not want to be on the hook for high recovery costs from far away places. I have been on recoveries, where the cost to recover exceeded the hull value insured. Our instructions were simply to "not leave a mess" when we cleaned it up. The insurer got nothing out of it. We got the wreck, they did not get the recovery bill. The reality is that a low cost GA plane can be flown to a place from which getting it back exceeds it's value. I wonder if Sudan could be one of those places for a Cub.
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Old 4th Dec 2016, 21:38
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Originally Posted by Homsap View Post
Terry Holloway.............

Thanks Terry, I have emailed MAF UK today, so hope to hear from their office on Monday. I will keep you updated. Above the clouds has also sent a message via Linkedin, but there is nothing wrong with a three pronged approach. I think Ryan Cuthel is based in Nairobi, so hopefully he picks up emails on a regular basis.

I will keep you updated. Do we have a way of contacting Maurice in the event we can get him help, for example mobile, email, consulate, embassy or police?
Facebook and messenger are easiest. I will send a pm with his phone number.

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Facebook and messenger are easiest. I will send a pm with his phone number.
I failed as your account won't accept a pm!
It is published on his FB account but I would rather not print it here. If you can send me an e mail I will respond!

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Been reading the Saturday Times Newspaper and in there is a column about a crash of a Boeing Stearman in the rally, father and daughter from Ireland. Both walked away from the upturned wreck.
A Pipistral was also damaged on landing yesterday. They are excluded from the Rally until repairs are complete.
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Old 4th Dec 2016, 23:09
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If there is hull insurance, the insurer will usually pay for security, until the aircraft can be recovered. The pilot/owner has some responsibility to arrange this if they are able, though it sounds like Maurice made fairly not be able.
Well, on my companies jets, South Sudan is a listed exclusion as it is classified as a war risk. I wonder if MK actually has insurance of sorts, and if he does, I wonder if they would cover damage to an unsecured aircraft? Let's hope it does not come to that.
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Old 5th Dec 2016, 07:35
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UK field landings probably differ from African....

I landed in a winter wheat crop, the farmer was not amused and wanted pay for crop damage, suggested that he would not permit the glider to be removed until he had compensation....so we said fine, you are responsible now for any damage it may sustain while it is under your care and control. He became much more helpful after that.

The only unkind farmer encountered in 30 years of field landings!
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Old 5th Dec 2016, 08:59
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Responding to a post a little earlier, all Maurice's paperwork was in order before (and during) the Rally.
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Old 5th Dec 2016, 09:08
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That was not in doubt by the more intelligent here Sam.

It's just a handful of people on this thread that have a great desire to stick the knife in at every opportune moment.
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Old 5th Dec 2016, 09:22
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To repeat, there is absolutely no question that ALL of his paperwork was in order before the Rally. Fairly obvious and simple baseline that we needed from all crews before they could be accepted.
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Old 5th Dec 2016, 09:57
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Sam Rutherford....

I do not dispute that the paperwork was in order at the start of the rally for all participants including MK, the problem is that MK claims you haven't provided him, as I understand it, with the documents for overflight and flight within South Sudan, which is why, again as I understand it, he was placed in a police cell.

I'm really surprised you didn't give the complete bundle of documents to crews at the start of the rally from Crete to the Cape at the start, just in case someone became separated from 'the pack', which it seems to be the case with MK and two other crews.
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Old 5th Dec 2016, 10:11
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The Daily Mail runs with a misinformed story today about Maurice going AWOL

Jay Sata - do you have any involvement here?
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Old 5th Dec 2016, 11:55
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I would like to chat to Jenny Johnston of The Daily Mail about her article quoting me. Those quotes wer given to The Times 10 days ago in a different context to the circumstances Maurice is in today.
Alas I'm not having much luck with either Kenyan contacts or MAF. I've spoken to an ex MAF pilot in Cambridge, who tells me that the aeroplane is in "real bandit territory". He offered the opinion that it would be difficult to get there to fix it. His view is that the aeroplane has probably been stripped already and that the best outcome is for Maurice to be repatriated to either the U.K. or Nairobi. I will continue to do what I can to help.
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Old 5th Dec 2016, 12:43
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Newspaper journalists are very selective with whom they contact for comment Terry. Had they contacted more informed persons closer to the judicial shenanigans surrounding Maurice, a completely different picture would have emerged. But that wouldn't make a good story, would it.

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Old 5th Dec 2016, 13:42
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Maurice's family say they understand that his cub is on the back of a lorry.

Can we work out the next relevant stages from that first step? Stating the obvious, we can expect a lorry may not make it out of the area. But we assume it will try sometime. But we do not know when as yet.
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Old 5th Dec 2016, 14:42
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This seems to be the latest post from MK on Facebook, things do not seem to be looking to good, but hard to tell sometimes from the postings.

Maurice Kirk
I have just been informed from than one informed source to get out now,despite medical state. as I am liable for immediate arrest and goal for months, as is the usual here, without even a trial leaving Liberty Girl 11 left to the local carrion.....help....can anyone at least rescue the cub
just 30 k into South Sudan at Narius from Lokichochio Kenyan airfield ....I have spare seat to Cape town if you can do it....thanks
From my sick bed....malaria and sceptic leg with high white cell count and fever , head-aches the usual stuff...to be driven to clinic at 7pm for twice daily I/v antibiotic and malarial treatment...service excellent but available if arrested I am warned
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Old 5th Dec 2016, 15:25
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Terry Holloway said
I would like to chat to Jenny Johnston of The Daily Mail about her article quoting me. Those quotes wer given to The Times 10 days ago in a different context to the circumstances Maurice is in today.
Jenny Johnson is a big Daily Mail feature writer Terry.
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