Tracey Curtis-Taylor (Merged threads)
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JZ : Your questions are as relevant now as they were 2 years ago ! The reason why this thread keeps perpetuating though , is simply because Curtis-Taylor keeps stonewalling them. The same as she will do on Friday if anyone has the temerity to interrupt her !
Because make no mistake ; she probably has no intention whatsoever of bringing up her somewhat ambiguous 'achievements' of the past . I would imagine that her talk will consist of a bit of 'aviation porridge' with a bit of STEM chucked in , then a clarion call to all the career-suppressed females of the 21st century to unshackle themselves from those iron railings and then follow Mrs Pankhurst-Taylor's steps into a wonderful career in aviation.
I may be wrong ! In fact , I hope I am wrong . With view to the sabre-rattling that has taken place from her side since LAA-AGM 2016 and the fact that this is the LAA's showcase event and the added fact that she doesn't really 'sit too well' with the majority of the membership , she may just have decided to return to Sywell and wipe the slate clean . No , I'm not on wacky-baccy , but should that be the case , then I will delete every post that I've put on here about her.
But in the highly likely event of that NOT happening , I just reiterate what happened the last time I saw TC-T at Sywell . She will be surrounded by her 'accomplices' the only person to speak will be her , and there will be one or two LAA high rollers lurking too ...............Just in case .
But @ JZ , given that your location is just a quick hop to Sywell ,,,,,,,,and if you've nothing else to do Friday..
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If your flying club is anything like mine most require CAVOK, wind within 5deg of runway heading, 2km of tarmac runway, nothing more sporty than a PA28 with fuel nothing less than tabs before "planning" to fly just over the horizon yet flaking out with a couple of circuits because it was "too bumpy"... Say it ain't so!
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We have reached the point where any further information is less relevant to the original theme of this thread, it's time to move on. Thanks for the passion and high held standards, hopefully those attributes throughout this thread will inspire pilots to fly safely, with honour and pride.
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In light of a recent Times article: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...647ab8be2149d7
discussion of the topic is reopened. Lets avoid rehashing old topics of distant relevance, unkind bashing, and anything gender based. This topic moves forward for discussion based on piloting, representation/recognition of achievements, and yes, encouraging new pilots of either gender!
We want to encourage new pilots, because we're pilots! We will accept and encourage pilots of either gender equally. And, we expect pilots to fly, and represent their achievements objectively, and honesty, from personal logbook entries, to public presentations.
With that, discussions of the merits of public recognition and awards for Ms. Curtis-Taylor's achievements is open here....
discussion of the topic is reopened. Lets avoid rehashing old topics of distant relevance, unkind bashing, and anything gender based. This topic moves forward for discussion based on piloting, representation/recognition of achievements, and yes, encouraging new pilots of either gender!
We want to encourage new pilots, because we're pilots! We will accept and encourage pilots of either gender equally. And, we expect pilots to fly, and represent their achievements objectively, and honesty, from personal logbook entries, to public presentations.
With that, discussions of the merits of public recognition and awards for Ms. Curtis-Taylor's achievements is open here....
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She is the one bringing up the gender in the discussion..
For myself, I like the idea that a pilot would reach out to attract young people of either gender to be pilots!
I wrote this to Charles Bremner of The Times:
From: Sam Rutherford <[email protected]>
Sent: 20 September 2018 11:56
To: 'Bremner, Charles'...
Subject: RE: Questions about Tracey Curtis-Taylor
Hi Charles,I’m surprised by your article, and deeply disappointed. I sense an agenda.
You have written “Curtis-Taylor and her team did not claim that she was solo, except for what she calls a slip of the tongue in one presentation.” – this statement is simply not true, as you well know.
The line “Some of her fans agree that she gave her adversaries ammunition by initially allowing the impression that she was alone.” is particularly generous. She was driving the impression that she was alone by everything she did and said (before, during and after the Africa trip). As you said to me yourself during our phonecall, it was only once the story started getting out that her version changed (four times).
I did not ‘lead the charge’, but I was certainly proactive in ensuring the correct version of events became known. Certainly Tracey was not telling anyone that it wasn’t solo, and it is almost certain that without the crash in Arizona the world would still believe all the flights had been done solo.
I’m disappointed, I expected your article to be accurate and responsible (and independent) – that’s all I have ever been in this sorry saga.
Best regards, Sam.
PS There’s not even an attempt to hide the real reason for the angle of your article, putting the link to the trailer for her “upcoming film” immediately beneath it. Follow the money…?
From: Sam Rutherford <[email protected]>
Sent: 20 September 2018 11:56
To: 'Bremner, Charles'...
Subject: RE: Questions about Tracey Curtis-Taylor
Hi Charles,I’m surprised by your article, and deeply disappointed. I sense an agenda.
You have written “Curtis-Taylor and her team did not claim that she was solo, except for what she calls a slip of the tongue in one presentation.” – this statement is simply not true, as you well know.
The line “Some of her fans agree that she gave her adversaries ammunition by initially allowing the impression that she was alone.” is particularly generous. She was driving the impression that she was alone by everything she did and said (before, during and after the Africa trip). As you said to me yourself during our phonecall, it was only once the story started getting out that her version changed (four times).
I did not ‘lead the charge’, but I was certainly proactive in ensuring the correct version of events became known. Certainly Tracey was not telling anyone that it wasn’t solo, and it is almost certain that without the crash in Arizona the world would still believe all the flights had been done solo.
I’m disappointed, I expected your article to be accurate and responsible (and independent) – that’s all I have ever been in this sorry saga.
Best regards, Sam.
PS There’s not even an attempt to hide the real reason for the angle of your article, putting the link to the trailer for her “upcoming film” immediately beneath it. Follow the money…?
So it was a slip of the tongue in one presentation ! I seem to recall she made that slip TWICE in the one presentation and..... having paused for dramatic effect...... she emphasized the word SOLO in both "slips".
Same as the "ALONE in an open cockpit" presentation slide- was that just a slip of the finger on the keyboard?
The interview with the reporter (fulldetails are in this thread somewhere) where they confirmed to me that you were talking to them about SOLO flights.
Trying to pull the gender card doesn't wash with me. The attempt to get to the truth would have been just the same if this was a man making the outlandish claims she made. If it was Ewald getting all the credits and awards and it was he was was making the false claims but it was subsequently found that he was accompanied by TCT then he would be the one getting the flak.
Sorry Tracey, doesn't work like that, you cannot hide behind your gender; man or woman we would want the truth. The fact that the aviation community (men and women) can see through the charade has nothing to do with your gender; it has a lot to do with you embellishing the tale.
Same as the "ALONE in an open cockpit" presentation slide- was that just a slip of the finger on the keyboard?
The interview with the reporter (fulldetails are in this thread somewhere) where they confirmed to me that you were talking to them about SOLO flights.
Trying to pull the gender card doesn't wash with me. The attempt to get to the truth would have been just the same if this was a man making the outlandish claims she made. If it was Ewald getting all the credits and awards and it was he was was making the false claims but it was subsequently found that he was accompanied by TCT then he would be the one getting the flak.
Sorry Tracey, doesn't work like that, you cannot hide behind your gender; man or woman we would want the truth. The fact that the aviation community (men and women) can see through the charade has nothing to do with your gender; it has a lot to do with you embellishing the tale.
Once again, her two direct quotes in the video where she states she was solo are brushed aside - this time as, 'a slip of the tongue'.
The Times article may bring people to this thread so I hope the moderators won't mind if I post the video below. A fair minded person seeing the video will find no sexism, envy or anger in it. Just words straight from Ms Curtis-Taylor.
The Times article may bring people to this thread so I hope the moderators won't mind if I post the video below. A fair minded person seeing the video will find no sexism, envy or anger in it. Just words straight from Ms Curtis-Taylor.
As I have been brought back in to this saga, I'll be watching the next few weeks with interest.
Depending on the wording of the LAA proposal, I may put my own file together for consideration by the members.
This blatant manipulation of press/public is impressive, I must say.
Amazing.
Depending on the wording of the LAA proposal, I may put my own file together for consideration by the members.
This blatant manipulation of press/public is impressive, I must say.
- Individual has a film they want to sell.
- Individual has a damaged reputation.
- Individual gets renowned newspaper to write a whitewash/positive piece to repair reputation.
- Individual sells film (link to trailer at bottom of newspaper article for everyone's convenience!)
Amazing.
As a member of the LAA I feel quite insulted by the playing of the gender card, particularly in an attempt to reverse the LAA decision to revoke her award. When I watched the TV film of her flight from Cape Town I felt nothing but admiration for her, OK plus a little envy, and it never occurred to me that this was special because she was a woman. She seems to have kept her head down for the last couple of years and if, prior to that, she had admitted to being carried away by the PR machine she now would probably be in a better position to use her considerable skills to evangelise for aviation and women in particular. However, this article has just poked the sleeping beast and revealed an arrogance towards LAA members and miltary types in particular which I find totally unacceptable.
I wonder if those with military connections will be similarly insulted by this article.
I wonder if those with military connections will be similarly insulted by this article.
How can that possibly happen after she repeatedly clings on to referring to herself as a 'bird' - not just 'in a biplane' but also in the TITLE to her forthcoming (undoubtedly self-aggrandising) 'epic' of that exact name!
As so many women - and indeed men - are quite correctly disgusted by such a derogatory name for a woman, how can she possibly expect to be taken seriously, and to avoid gender bias in return for her daft choice to cling to using such an out-dated, derogatory, insulting name for women? She apparently has no concept of doing herself, or women in general, any favours, by continuing to make this such a gender-based, indeed gender-divisive issue, as well as by continuing to use such a ridiculous expression.
Talk about reaping what you sow! I guess there will be lots more fun watching this madness unfold now that she is cranking up the (self)publicity to gas mark 11 again!
As so many women - and indeed men - are quite correctly disgusted by such a derogatory name for a woman, how can she possibly expect to be taken seriously, and to avoid gender bias in return for her daft choice to cling to using such an out-dated, derogatory, insulting name for women? She apparently has no concept of doing herself, or women in general, any favours, by continuing to make this such a gender-based, indeed gender-divisive issue, as well as by continuing to use such a ridiculous expression.
Talk about reaping what you sow! I guess there will be lots more fun watching this madness unfold now that she is cranking up the (self)publicity to gas mark 11 again!
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Question: If TCT had been a man and had gone to Boeing and Artemis and proposed that he and an Austrian airline pilot (thanks Charles Bremner for that piece of info) were planning various jaunts around the world in an old aircraft he had rebuilt, would those companies have coughed up half a million quid? And would all the newspapers have fallen over themselves to cover the jaunts?
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'Bloke in a Biplane' doesn't have the same cachet does it?
That's not she was/is selling.
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I have never viewed this as misogynism, it is about exposing deceit. As you peel away one layer, there is always another underneath. In the Times article it says “Curtis -Taylor and her team did not claim that she was solo, except for what she calls a slip of the tongue in one presentation. Over Africa and on the Australia journey she flew most of the legs with a member of her support crew or a guest in the passenger seat in front of the pilot.” Compare this statement with the picture of the slide behind TCT in post 61 “7000 miles in 32 legs over 6 weeks alone in an open cock-pit plane”. That isn’t a momentary slip of the tongue, that is a calculated, pre-meditated deceit. That is before you get into the argument over whether a commercial pilot who happens to own the aircraft is a member of her support crew or a guest?