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Sam Rutherford

Going back to my notes on the crash, this link:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/play/b07fg1x4

From 11:30 onwards she blames altitude for the crash, and narrowly interrupts herself from describing Ewald as a pilot!

@Heli, I hope you're right that it's not been surreptitiously changed. Perhaps someone can confirm?

clareprop

Hadn't heard that before...the slip in question is at 12:20 where she says, '...and the two pil...the pilot.....and my crew...'

Haraka - with reference to your post above:
What they don't do is continue the sentence from the NTSB report. If they did, it would read as shown under which is a completely different context.

The full text is: 'The carburetor fuel screen was removed, and a gray / tan liquid was drained from the carburetor. The fuel screen was free of debris. The liquid smelled similar to 100 Low Lead fuel, and tested negative for water using water finding paste.'

Sam Rutherford

Re: Tracey Curtis-Taylor

by Brian Hope » Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:26 pm

Hi Paul, the fact that a back up team was in place was known from the start as it was made clear that a documentary was going to be made of the journey. It was the fact that a passenger was carried on the aircraft after it had been touted as a solo flight that has caused the furore.
It comes down to personal opinion at the end of the day, the committee decided the flight remained worthy of recognition despite the deception.
I think I have explained the situation adequately and have nothing more to add.
Brian.

newsjunkie

@Cazalet33
Thinking again about your post about Refilwe Ledwaba. It would be a great idea to bring her work to the attention to the HACP.? Maybe they would give her an award.
Likely she would not be interested in the award itself but it might lead to offers of cash with which she could expand her programme. Worth a try? How sweet would it be if something genuinely good were to come out of this depressing saga?

Clare Prop

+ 1. Add to that the fact that she showed she had to have a crew of men to help her.

Fitter2

I wonder if now, in possession of rather more facts, the Committee representing a 'group of misogynistic old men' (© Ms Curtis-Taylor) might revise their opinion?

Cazalet33

I tried, that's why I said what I said about her (and 'Her') in this forum.

I'm not a member of LAA or of HCAP, nor have I ever been and nor do I ever wish to be. That's a bit off-topic, so:

I abhorr the decision of HCAP to uphold their laudits and applauses of TC-T's widely known bull.

The honesty deficit is at the heart of her bull. Perhaps that is why the LAA is torn asunder; and perhaps that's why the "Honourable" guys of the other place are so immutable and are so dumb when her dishonesty is so obvious to those who dare look?

NJ! You just unrelavelled TC-T's code; and you've showed what an honest woman role model can be.

She, Refilwe Ledwaba, is the antithesis of TCT.

Refilwe Ledwaba is taking black girls (and probably some black boys too, I suspect, and quite certainly some whites too), into the air and giving them that infectious delight which so may of us remember when we were infected with aviation.

Refilwe Ledwaba is the real deal. Tracey Curtis-Taylor just ain't.

Art E. Fischler-Reisen

Not all of the HCAP are "dumb".

I resigned my membership over their decision to uphold their award and explained my reasons. I don't know if I was alone in that respect.
Her public boasting about illegal flying wasn't something that as a professional pilot I was at all happy about, let alone the other debacle about her unilateral definition of the terms "solo" and "alone in the cockpit".

HCAP should have distanced itself from her for many reasons.

Cazalet33

Good for you, Art.

Welcome aboard the liferaft of honesty.

Tea and biccies will follow. You will not be alone.

airpolice

I'm not sure about that. Perhaps the remaining membership are content to be associated with her. Perhaps, as the evidence seems to suggest, they are comfortable bedfellows.

Sam Rutherford

Both the LAA and HCAP are great organisations that have found themselves between a rock and a hard place on this subject. Little of the reasons can be easily explained in the public domain unfortunately.

I am a proud member of both.

Right Hand Thread

piperboy84

airpolice

Something about age, and experience, leads to some of us thinking that such bollocks is just smoke and mirrors.

Are we really supposed to accept that there are wheels within wheels and somehow, Tracey is not really a bad person, therefore the LAA & HCAP are not in fact, as some might suggest, bad by association?

We are judged, in part, by the company that we keep. Integrity and judgement are still, to some of us, important.

I am a member of neither, and none of this saga is likely to make me want to join.

9 lives

Yes, and sometimes great organizations are put into the position where they'll have to do the hard thing. Being seen to do the hard thing in their member's better interest is what makes and keeps them great. It's just sad that a few people could put them into a situation where the decision to do the hard thing is needed at all! Individual members of an organization are most appreciated when their actions can be seen to be pulling together for the sake of the organization - as opposed to their own personal interest in conflict with the interests of the organization members. Tracey represents general aviation poorly, and casts a poor light on those who defend her dubious actions. Let her, as anyone, be seen to do selfless prideworthy things, so the members can rally around to support those good activities!

Sam Rutherford

@air police, @9 lives

It's not that they necessarily agree or disagree with what Tracey has done/is doing - it's that they have very little (no) room for manoeuvre.

Or, put another way, whichever way they go they're damned.

Both organisations rely heavily on two things, their members and their powerful external supporters - it is when these interests are in conflict that they have a problem. Indeed, perhaps even bringing a question to their very survival.

Sam Rutherford

I have asked Ewald this question: Tracey has stated publicly that you never touched the controls at any stage during the three trips. Is this true?
Yes (true) or No (untrue), please.

I would hope he'd answer here, but if not, I'll post his response. I have asked for a 'yes' or 'no' reply, nothing more.

Sam Rutherford

And another overnight update: