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Old 26th Sep 2018, 11:56
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The discussion on the LAA Forum is noteworthy for the complete lack of support for any motion to be put at the AGM and also the wisdom of resurrecting the topic which was deemed buried in 2016. Pretty much echoes what is being said here.

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Old 26th Sep 2018, 11:59
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Originally Posted by Sam Rutherford View Post
Oh, and Ewald told me that they have changed the voting rules at the LAA (specifically with regards to Tracey).

Anyone know something about this? Perhaps not the case?

I hope not, changing the voting rules and not telling the members would be very uncool.
Not without a change in the constitution which requires membership consultation.

I’d be very careful of being used as a mouthpiece for Ewald, Sam. What he ‘tells you’ and you repeat here becomes fodder for those wanting to criticise this site and those posting here.
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 12:12
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Going back to my notes on the crash, this link:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/play/b07fg1x4

From 11:30 onwards she blames altitude for the crash, and narrowly interrupts herself from describing Ewald as a pilot!

@Heli, I hope you're right that it's not been surreptitiously changed. Perhaps someone can confirm?
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 12:49
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From 11:30 onwards she blames altitude for the crash, and narrowly interrupts herself from describing Ewald as a pilot!
Hadn't heard that before...the slip in question is at 12:20 where she says, '...and the two pil...the pilot.....and my crew...'

Haraka - with reference to your post above:
According to her latest Wicki version . On its history page :

"Corrected Winslow, FAA report 594567 confirms fuel contamination: "The carburetor fuel screen was removed and a gray / tan liquid was drained from the carburetor".
What they don't do is continue the sentence from the NTSB report. If they did, it would read as shown under which is a completely different context.

The full text is: 'The carburetor fuel screen was removed, and a gray / tan liquid was drained from the carburetor. The fuel screen was free of debris. The liquid smelled similar to 100 Low Lead fuel, and tested negative for water using water finding paste.'
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 12:50
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Re: Tracey Curtis-Taylor

by Brian Hope » Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:26 pm

Hi Paul, the fact that a back up team was in place was known from the start as it was made clear that a documentary was going to be made of the journey. It was the fact that a passenger was carried on the aircraft after it had been touted as a solo flight that has caused the furore.
It comes down to personal opinion at the end of the day, the committee decided the flight remained worthy of recognition despite the deception.
I think I have explained the situation adequately and have nothing more to add.
Brian.
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 13:36
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@Cazalet33
Thinking again about your post about Refilwe Ledwaba. It would be a great idea to bring her work to the attention to the HACP.? Maybe they would give her an award.
Likely she would not be interested in the award itself but it might lead to offers of cash with which she could expand her programme. Worth a try? How sweet would it be if something genuinely good were to come out of this depressing saga?
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 14:24
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Originally Posted by Lind1795 View Post
I am female and embarrassed beyond measure by her behaviour. I am also a pilot and feel Tracey has committed a great disservice to female pilots. Tracey has let her own sex down and as a female pilot I am abhorred at her behaviour. She has not represented female pilots well and this business to try and have the LAA award restored defies belief. Just for the record the men I have flown with (quite a few!) have not been sexist in the least.


+ 1. Add to that the fact that she showed she had to have a crew of men to help her.
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 15:02
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Re: Tracey Curtis-Taylor

Brian Hope » Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:26 pm

Hi Paul, the fact that a back up team was in place was known from the start as it was made clear that a documentary was going to be made of the journey. It was the fact that a passenger was carried on the aircraft after it had been touted as a solo flight that has caused the furore.

It comes down to personal opinion at the end of the day, the committee decided the flight remained worthy of recognition despite the deception.
I think I have explained the situation adequately and have nothing more to add.
Brian
I wonder if now, in possession of rather more facts, the Committee representing a 'group of misogynistic old men' (© Ms Curtis-Taylor) might revise their opinion?
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 15:45
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Thinking again about your post about Refilwe Ledwaba. It would be a great idea to bring her work to the attention to the HACP?
I tried, that's why I said what I said about her (and 'Her') in this forum.

I'm not a member of LAA or of HCAP, nor have I ever been and nor do I ever wish to be. That's a bit off-topic, so:

I abhorr the decision of HCAP to uphold their laudits and applauses of TC-T's widely known bull.

The honesty deficit is at the heart of her bull. Perhaps that is why the LAA is torn asunder; and perhaps that's why the "Honourable" guys of the other place are so immutable and are so dumb when her dishonesty is so obvious to those who dare look?

Likely she would not be interested in the award itself but it might lead to offers of cash with which she could expand her programme.
NJ! You just unrelavelled TC-T's code; and you've showed what an honest woman role model can be.

She, Refilwe Ledwaba, is the antithesis of TCT.

Refilwe Ledwaba is taking black girls (and probably some black boys too, I suspect, and quite certainly some whites too), into the air and giving them that infectious delight which so may of us remember when we were infected with aviation.

Refilwe Ledwaba is the real deal. Tracey Curtis-Taylor just ain't.
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 16:00
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I abhor the decision of HCAP to uphold their plaudits and applauses of TC-T's widely known bull.

The honesty deficit is at the heart of her bull. Perhaps that is why the LAA is torn asunder; and perhaps that's why the "Honourable" guys of the other place are so immutable and are so dumb when her dishonesty is so obvious to those who dare look?
Not all of the HCAP are "dumb".

I resigned my membership over their decision to uphold their award and explained my reasons. I don't know if I was alone in that respect.
Her public boasting about illegal flying wasn't something that as a professional pilot I was at all happy about, let alone the other debacle about her unilateral definition of the terms "solo" and "alone in the cockpit".

HCAP should have distanced itself from her for many reasons.
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 16:15
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Good for you, Art.

Welcome aboard the liferaft of honesty.

Tea and biccies will follow. You will not be alone.
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 19:47
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Originally Posted by Art E. Fischler-Reisen View Post
Not all of the HCAP are "dumb".

HCAP should have distanced itself from her for many reasons.
I'm not sure about that. Perhaps the remaining membership are content to be associated with her. Perhaps, as the evidence seems to suggest, they are comfortable bedfellows.
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 20:21
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Both the LAA and HCAP are great organisations that have found themselves between a rock and a hard place on this subject. Little of the reasons can be easily explained in the public domain unfortunately.

I am a proud member of both.
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 21:16
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Here’s what’s bugging me.

After Nick the website man tried to fall on his sword Ewald broke three years silence and (attempted) anonymity. Why?
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 22:24
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Originally Posted by Right Hand Thread View Post
Here’s what’s bugging me.

After Nick the website man tried to fall on his sword Ewald broke three years silence and (attempted) anonymity. Why?

Because it’s getting hot in the kitchen with the film deal about to launch and the last thing TCT, Ewald and anyone else who stands to gain from that wants is Sam Rutherford telling it how it is, as that would be a massive shit in the jacuzzi from their perspective.
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 22:43
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Originally Posted by Sam Rutherford View Post
Both the LAA and HCAP are great organisations that have found themselves between a rock and a hard place on this subject. Little of the reasons can be easily explained in the public domain unfortunately.

I am a proud member of both.
Something about age, and experience, leads to some of us thinking that such bollocks is just smoke and mirrors.

Are we really supposed to accept that there are wheels within wheels and somehow, Tracey is not really a bad person, therefore the LAA & HCAP are not in fact, as some might suggest, bad by association?

We are judged, in part, by the company that we keep. Integrity and judgement are still, to some of us, important.

I am a member of neither, and none of this saga is likely to make me want to join.
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 23:53
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great organisations that have found themselves between a rock and a hard place on this subject.
Yes, and sometimes great organizations are put into the position where they'll have to do the hard thing. Being seen to do the hard thing in their member's better interest is what makes and keeps them great. It's just sad that a few people could put them into a situation where the decision to do the hard thing is needed at all! Individual members of an organization are most appreciated when their actions can be seen to be pulling together for the sake of the organization - as opposed to their own personal interest in conflict with the interests of the organization members. Tracey represents general aviation poorly, and casts a poor light on those who defend her dubious actions. Let her, as anyone, be seen to do selfless prideworthy things, so the members can rally around to support those good activities!
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 04:12
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@air police, @9 lives

It's not that they necessarily agree or disagree with what Tracey has done/is doing - it's that they have very little (no) room for manoeuvre.

Or, put another way, whichever way they go they're damned.

Both organisations rely heavily on two things, their members and their powerful external supporters - it is when these interests are in conflict that they have a problem. Indeed, perhaps even bringing a question to their very survival.
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 04:15
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I have asked Ewald this question: Tracey has stated publicly that you never touched the controls at any stage during the three trips. Is this true?
Yes (true) or No (untrue), please.

I would hope he'd answer here, but if not, I'll post his response. I have asked for a 'yes' or 'no' reply, nothing more.
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 04:48
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And another overnight update:
Brian Hope has kindly confirmed that the voting system etc. has not been changed - some misinformation from Ewald.
For background, here is the excerpt from Ewald's mail to me:
Yes, TC had reopened the discussion about the motion on recommendation of the current LAA board! The vote was not according to their voting mode (they changed the mode thereafter to avoid things like this happening again) and they realized that the award had been given correctly for the above mentioned reason.
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