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Old 24th Sep 2018, 00:23
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Interestingly I note that TCT's Wiki page has been sanitised again. The account of the Wilmslow crash states that the cause was never identified amd omits TCT's (unproven) contention that it was due to fuel contamination.

Similarly all mention of the Bill Woodhams Award, both the giving and rescinding, has gone.
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 02:25
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Originally Posted by SATCOS WHIPPING BOY View Post
+10


TCT purports to be a champion for the female cause (that ethos died years ago) and is set on a pedestal as a role model. All she inspires is a notion that the only way to the top is to lie, embellish,cheat, and manipulate: Hardly worthy of a role model title IMHO.
And have a big strong man close by to hold your hand, lots of corporate sponsors and some minor royals.

I am a former Amy Johnson Memorial Scholarship recipient and I find this whole issue disgraceful and insulting to the many aviation pioneers, male and female, who started and continue to push the boundaries for all of us, and to those of us that plod along every day getting on with the job of flying aeroplanes without wanting any special treatment. I was grateful for that scholarship or my career would have ground to a halt as I was down to the last can of baked beans. That is how you help people into aviation, if that is what you are really doing.

She is welcome to call me a old male misogynist and an internet troll to my face anytime.
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 02:47
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Hi again Happy Pruners

This is my last post because I’ve far more trivial things to do with my time

Just a few quickies before I leave

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY ( #4200)
Q. Nick Adams, when are we going to see your great admission of guilt up on the BiaB site? Perhaps doing so may convey two things; a genuine desire to take the blame for this small piece of the whole charade, and confirmation that you are indeed who you say you are.
A. Confirmation of who I am is here on the website (type /nick/ after the .com) and unlike many of the people here I am using my own name and not hiding behind a pseudonym (which seems a little cowardly to me)

Null Orifice (#4192)
Q. Friends in high place
A. and in my case; friends in low places : )

Cazalet33 (#4171)
Q. the adverse consequences of stating the truth but I won't be losing any sleep over it. The adverse consequences are a result of her not telling the truth, Nick.
A. I’m sure that you haven’t deliberately misunderstood but just to clarify, I was referring to adverse consequences to me of me stating the truth

etc etc (ad infinitum)

Anyway, much as I have enjoyed our little interactions this is the last post from me.

Many people on this forum seem very angry, my advice is to relax and enjoy life a bit more.

Sorry I didn’t enter fully into the spirit of things of this hysterical witch hunt but I like to think that civilisation has evolved a little from the days of the ducking stool . . . . . . or maybe I'm wrong?

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Old 24th Sep 2018, 03:12
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My Stearman is certified for solo only in the rear seat
The TCDS says that the aircraft may be soloed from either seat should the empty CoG be within a certain range, outside the stipulated range solo from rear seat only.

The cynic in me says that Mr. Adams has come forward at this late stage claiming to be the inventor of the word "solo" as applied to TCT, he being a contractor to complete a task I would have thought that the customer, TCT or one of her covey, would give their imprimatur and approval of the work done. If we accept Mr. Adams statement obviously this was not done, a claim which I find dubious, and frankly, impossible to believe. It was made a corner stone of all publicity, even by Boeing, a sponsor.

Mr. Adams work seems from his web site to be UK orientated, so I assume he has been leant upon by TCT, or party, to make his "solo" claim immediately prior to the AGM to take the heat off her. A decision made no doubt out of his own commercial interests in the UK, and furtherance of those interests in the upper echelons of society in which TCT dabbles.
Interestingly I note that TCT's Wiki page has been sanitised again. The account of the Wilmslow crash states that the cause was never identified amd omits TCT's (unproven) contention that it was due to fuel contamination.

Similarly all mention of the Bill Woodhams Award, both the giving and rescinding, has gone.
All reinstated. What games they play. Edited today 24th Sep.
The trip was cut short by a crash in the Arizona desert, which Curtis-Taylor attributed to contaminated fuel obtained in Wilmslow. The official investigation ny the NTSB found no evidence of this

In October 2014 she was given the Bill Woodhams Award by the UK's Light Aircraft Association (LAA) however following a vote at the Annual General Meeting of the LAA in October 2016 this was rescinded.

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Old 24th Sep 2018, 03:57
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All reinstated. What games they play. Edited today 24th Sep.
Let's see how long that lasts!
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 06:47
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Looks like this slipped through the net as well:

https://www.pensaevents.co.uk/tracey-curtis-taylor/

All these pesky people all getting it wrong all the time...
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 06:55
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Overview: A private audience with Tracey Curtis Taylor, ....
OMG, does one have to bow/curtsey when entering the audience chamber?
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 07:44
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I’m looking forward to the appearance on here of the film editor claiming responsibility for cutting out all shots of Ewald from the film, or of the director admitting that it was down to him/her that all footage of TCT taking off or landing showed only one person on board even though we know that there were two for 40 of the 44 legs. I am trying to guess who will appear to take the blame for insisting that TCT pose for photos clutching that Australian “solo” award.
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 08:15
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Originally Posted by nickswebs View Post
Hi again Happy Pruners

This is my last post because I’ve far more trivial things to do with my time

Just a few quickies before I leave

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY ( #4200)
Q. Nick Adams, when are we going to see your great admission of guilt up on the BiaB site? Perhaps doing so may convey two things; a genuine desire to take the blame for this small piece of the whole charade, and confirmation that you are indeed who you say you are.
A. Confirmation of who I am is here on the website (type /nick/ after the .com) and unlike many of the people here I am using my own name and not hiding behind a pseudonym (which seems a little cowardly to me)

Null Orifice (#4192)
Q. Friends in high place
A. and in my case; friends in low places : )

Cazalet33 (#4171)
Q. the adverse consequences of stating the truth but I won't be losing any sleep over it. The adverse consequences are a result of her not telling the truth, Nick.
A. I’m sure that you haven’t deliberately misunderstood but just to clarify, I was referring to adverse consequences to me of me stating the truth

etc etc (ad infinitum)

Anyway, much as I have enjoyed our little interactions this is the last post from me.

Many people on this forum seem very angry, my advice is to relax and enjoy life a bit more.

Sorry I didn’t enter fully into the spirit of things of this hysterical witch hunt but I like to think that civilisation has evolved a little from the days of the ducking stool . . . . . . or maybe I'm wrong?
Like everyone in this charade you have dodged the main point and focused on trivia.
I know you will read this so....

Nick Adams, when are we going to see your great admission of guilt up on the BiaB site? Perhaps doing so may convey two things; a genuine desire to take the blame for this small piece of the whole charade, and confirmation that you are indeed who you say you are.

The important point of my query was when the website will be updated to reflect this tremendous admission of guilt. Yet, like many before you, you focus on an internet pseudonym which I have had for many years prior to joining PPRuNe ( I actually picked it up as a nickname whilst serving in the military) and dodge the embarrassing question aimed at you. As someone who works in the IT industry I trust you are familiar with internet forums and appreciate that 99% of users operate under such pseudonyms, so no great surprise to find that I do too. Those that need to know who I am know who I am, they know my real background (not a made up CV of derring-do) and they know how to contact me.
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 08:45
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Originally Posted by Sam Rutherford View Post
Looks like this slipped through the net as well:

https://www.pensaevents.co.uk/tracey-curtis-taylor/

All these pesky people all getting it wrong all the time...
"Overview: A private audience with Tracey Curtis Taylor, Britain's most-celebrated female aviator and adventurer, who'll be telling the truly incredible story her most epic adventure to date – a solo flight from England to Australia in a vintage biplane following the exact route of the early pioneer aviator Amy Johnson who made the same journey in 1930"

There's that word again. The advert then goes on to say that Libya had to be avoided so it's not quite the exact route. What's a little obfuscation when there are gongs at stake ?
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 09:08
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the TCDS says that the aircraft may be soloed from either seat should the empty CoG be within a certain range, outside the stipulated range solo from rear seat only.
I did say My Stearman. I have not seen any Stearman that are exactly alike so I will go by my manual.
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 09:18
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who'll be telling the truly incredible story her most epic adventure to date – a solo flight from England to Australia

One word of that is true.

She truly lacks credibility.
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 09:26
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You have to wonder why now? This had all died a death and mostly been forgotten. Boeing, the hedgefunders and the rent-a-royals had all moved on, this forum had been locked down tight, the PR guy Kelly was onto new projects and Tracey was back at her local airshow circuit fly-in gigs. Then out of the blue there's rumblings of action stirring on the matter at the LAA concurrent with some IT guy falling on his sword by throwing out a mea culpa we are all familiar with from the BIAP back office and associated sycophants. Whats up?
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 09:43
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Originally Posted by piperboy84 View Post
You have to wonder why now? This had all died a death and mostly been forgotten. Boeing, the hedgefunders and the rent-a-royals had all moved on, this forum had been locked down tight, the PR guy Kelly was onto new projects and Tracey was back at her local airshow circuit fly-in gigs. Then out of the blue there's rumblings of action stirring on the matter at the LAA concurrent with some IT guy falling on his sword by throwing out a mea culpa we are all familiar with from the BIAP back office and associated sycophants. Whats up?
Promoting the new lucrative film, that's what's up. Self promotion, which is nothing new from them.

Sounds like PR team have suggested that it is all too quiet prior to the big announcement and may have suggested the challenge to LAA as away of generating publicity. I am sure they believed that the LAA old-duffers' society would just roll over and reinstate the award. This would have been a massive coup for BiaB and the press releases (probably already drafted) would have hit the headlines.

Only problem with their plan was that we all remember the lies that led to this action being taken and that if other organisations had had the spine they too would have pulled awards/rewards back in 2016. Seems to me the plan is backfiring massively, yes it is getting some media attention, but not the best kind by any means.

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Old 24th Sep 2018, 10:04
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A quote by TCT which appeared in the Times article: "I don't think for one second that I would have received the treatment I have had from the LAA if I had been a male."

And the LAA Board are really considering giving TCT her award back? They should instead spend the time at the AGM considering taking action against TCT for libel. At a time when promotion of aviation careers for women has never been so active, comments such as TCT's make my teeth itch.
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 10:11
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Perhaps she subscribes to the Tallulah Bankhead line: "I don’t care what they say as long as they talk about me."
Now if 'Celebrity' wasn't so darn lucrative we'd probably never have heard of her.
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 10:58
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From Nickweb

“A. Confirmation of who I am is here on the website (type /nick/ after the .com) and unlike many of the people here I am using my own name and not hiding behind a pseudonym (which seems a little cowardly to me)”

That old chestnut. Sorry but, except where proven expertise, in the field, is required, it is not who you are but what you say that counts – anonymous or not.

I remember earlier some old boy (apparently a ‘someone’ in GA circles) who had had his ‘head turned by a shapely ankle’ posting under his own name as if that added any strength to his argument. To me, having no idea who he was, it seemed just a bumptious, bombastic equivalent of ‘DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM’ addressed to the great unwashed.

I don’t know who you are; I have no intention of finding out who you are. I, like most posters, am only interested in digesting and analysing what you have to say and indulging in some intellectually stimulating speculation on your motives.

In essence what you have to say – “sorry guys my bad, not TCT’s fault I should not have said ‘solo’ on the web site” – is infantile.

I’m guessing that you gave up on history early on at school to concentrate on IT and computer science. You will probably be unaware that many of the freedoms and much of the peace and security you enjoy were won by very brave polemicists, pamphleteers, activists operating under pseudonyms.

Before, I get trolled, I claim no connection with those brave ancestors for my inconsequential and feeble offerings on PPRuNe.
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 11:11
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"I don't think for one second that I would have received the treatment I have had from the LAA if I had been a male."
She's got a frikkin cheek!

"Two blokes in a biplane" doesn't have anything like the cachet of "The Aviatrix" flying solo in the manner of Lady Heath and Amy Johnson. "Quality Bird" or "Bird in a Biplane" is so much more marketable, dontcha think?

"Bloke in his biplane wiv a bird in the back" doesn't quite cut the mustard either.

She's milked the gender card for all it's worth. It's what marketing wonks (Sorry, Nick) call a USP.

Funny how she doesn't call HCAP an old man's club, innit. Wonder why that might be.
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 11:25
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He never flew the plane. The Stearman is not even fully dual. You can take the stick and follow it around, but he’s not flying it,” she says. That refers to the limited front controls that enable old tandem planes to be flown from either seat.
i think this with the photos that show the "limited" front controls answer any questions about the intention of TCT, not exactly showing intention to stick to the truth!
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 11:55
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The Stearman is not even fully dual.
A characteristically snakey thing for her to say.

When she's dun slitherin', the fact remains that the owner's suite in the front office had stick and rudder and throttle controls.

Most importantly of all, it had an intercomm, through which the five-figure-hour experienced ATPL/QFI could talk to her_in_back and walk her through the more complicated bits of following the magenta line of her (and his) GPS-equipped iPads. Y'know, stuff like turn left or turn right or level the wings or tread on the ball, that sort of stuff.

Not quite comparable to Amy Johnson or Mary Heath or the Honourable Mrs Victor Mildred Wossername.

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