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Old 23rd Sep 2018, 16:35
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I posted this almost 2 years ago, so it's possible that some of the links no longer work, but it's still germane:

Originally Posted by Fly-by-Wife View Post
It is truly staggering how many reporters / journalists / commentators / press officers / publicists "misinterpreted" TCT's jaunt to Oz as a solo endeavour - the following is a (by no means exhaustive) list of those that were labouring under this misconception before, during and after the expedition.

Even Boeing, one of the sponsors, thought it was to be solo!

http://www.boeing.com/resources/boei...essRelease.pdf

ExecuJet wishes Tracey Curtis-Taylor bon voyage as she embarks on solo expedition

?Bird in a Biplane? off to an adventurous flight in 1942 Boeing Stearman

British pilot Tracey Curtis Taylor days away from completing 13,000 mile solo flight - ITV News

Adventurer follows in icon's footsteps with 10,000-mile solo bi-plane flight to Australia - ITV News

16R News - Tracey Curtis-Taylor - Solo United Kingdom To Sydney

https://limitlesspursuits.com/advent...-to-australia/

https://www.lonelyplanet.com/usa/tra...year-old-plane

Tracey Curtis-Taylor completes journey in the Spirit of Artemis from Britain to Australia Daily Mail Online

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...n-to-australia

Stearman solo success Flight Safety Australia

Round-the-world female aviator stops off for Dubai Airshow The National

'Bird in a biplane' euphoric after 13,000 mile solo flight to Sydney (From Herald Scotland)

Farnborough Airport, Uk. 1st October, 2015. Adventurer Tracey Stock Photo, Royalty Free Image: 88082336 - Alamy

Vintage Boeing biplane takes reassembly stop in Everett - seattlepi.com

1942 Boeing Stearman Spirit of Artemis - Manager Online

http://xtoday.news/media/50134/ae64-90-91-challenge.pdf

Britain to Australia solo flight makes Kingdom stopover Arab News

23 countries, 30,000 miles, 14 weeks: ?Bird in a biplane? lands in Dubai on solo flight to Australia - ArabianBusiness.com

Around the world in 100 days...in a 1940s plane - Khaleej Times

https://www.silverkris.com/stories/b...t-uk-australia

23 countries, 22,500 kilometre: This female pilot's solo journey around the world - Rediff.com India News

Girl power reaches new heights with historic solo flight to Australia Stow

I have omitted dozens that simply reported her "solo" arrival in Sydney (with Ewald in the front seat), as there are too many that were simply reiterating the story.

So many faces, so much egg!

FBW
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Old 23rd Sep 2018, 16:37
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I offer this only as a quick reference to assist anyone, like Nick, who might need a wee refesher course in what T C-T is all about.

The important bit is where there is an allegation that she was trying to taxy between two objects, but the photographs show an open field.

An interesting Daily Mail story from August 2015

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Old 23rd Sep 2018, 16:41
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In the Winslow accident report didn’t Herr Gritsch describe himself as “Crew”?

If he Aircraft doesn’t have dual controls, what was his role in the front cockpit? Bomb aimer? Front Gunner?
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Old 23rd Sep 2018, 16:42
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Reference the TCT Stearman and Dual Controls

You can decide for yourselves wether the aircraft she was flying had dual controls or not.

This is a picture of the rear cockpit of her aircraft taken in Africa.



This is a picture of the front cockpit
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Old 23rd Sep 2018, 16:54
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Originally Posted by Fly-by-Wife View Post
I posted this almost 2 years ago, so it's possible that some of the links no longer work, but it's still germane:
In the majority of the articles, there is supporting pictorial evidence of the 'solo' expedition with photos which inconveniently show 2 people on board. Now we know this 2nd person to be the ATPL / instructor / owner Ewald Gritsch on board for the majority of those flight.

With such widespread pictorial evidence in the public domain, it would appear to be rather more than a mere 'uphill struggle' to reconcile all those ambitious solo claims to secure sponsorship with the inconvenient facts. What was she thinking, to believe it was wise to come back to berate everyone - the LAA in particular - for such an dreadful miscarriage of justice, and to think that she could rewrite history to claim her prize and restore her honour?
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Old 23rd Sep 2018, 16:58
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If he Aircraft doesn’t have dual controls, what was his role in the front cockpit?
Perhaps the role of emotional support .. err . .. being ... ?
Sorry, I had sworn I'd never get involved in this thread - after 4000-odd entries I think I may be forgiven.
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Old 23rd Sep 2018, 17:11
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Re. The article in The Times, does anyone here knowledgeable about Stearmans know what this comment from T C-T might be referring to?
Quote:
He never flew the plane. The Stearman is not even fully dual. You can take the stick and follow it around, but he’s not flying it,” she says. That refers to the limited front controls that enable old tandem planes to be flown from either seat.
Just wondering what "limited front controls" might be - I had assumed it would either have dual controls or not have them, but not half and half. ��
In my Stearman it can flown accurately from either seat. My Stearman is certified for solo only in the rear seat. By solo I mean the usual interpretation of the word...... Not TCT’s
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Old 23rd Sep 2018, 17:13
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And most importantly, after being rumbled, dressing the whole thing up as an altruistic endeavour for the benefit of the young and disadvantaged.
Ah yes, the STEM thing.

Her logic is absurd. Her attempt to associate herself with real achievers, such as the likes of Amy Johnson and Mary Heath, is damn nearly fraudulent.

If she had a degree or some such qualification in something like engineering, she might possibly be qualify to pose in that guise, but she hasn't. It's just a charade. A pretence.

It's almost as if she's trying to teach kids that they don't need to get a science degree or diploma if you've learned the art of bullshooting and charlatanry.

90 years ago it really was a big deal for a woman to fly around the world, or across a couple of continents, alone and without a support crew. Nowadays it's generally recognised that you really don't need a toggle and two between your legs to fly an aeroplane.

If she and her finance house sponsors really gave a toss about having more femme CPLs, they'd have sponsored a coupla hundred females (to the exclusion of males, but never mind) through a modular or integrated CPL course.
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Old 23rd Sep 2018, 17:42
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Originally Posted by Above The Clouds View Post
You can decide for yourselves wether the aircraft she was flying had dual controls or not.

This is a picture of the rear cockpit of her aircraft taken in Africa.



This is a picture of the front cockpit
Well, you can clearly see the limited front cockpit controls: No IPAD!
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Old 23rd Sep 2018, 17:44
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If you come across someone who is
1) Superficially charming
2) Manipulative
3) Has a grandiose sense of self
4) A pathological liar
5) Has a lack of remorse, shame or guilt
6) Has a need for stimulation
7) Impulsive
8) Irresponsible
9) Lacks a realistic life plan
10) Has entrepreneurial versatility

Then you are probably looking at a sociopath. I refer to nobody in particular, I just give you this in case you come across one.
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Old 23rd Sep 2018, 17:59
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Having finally gotten round to reading Fate is the Hunter by Ernest K Gann recently, I feel that one passage is particularly relevant to this whole affair.

The (civilian) pilot in question was searching for a C-87 (cargo Liberator), with a crew and 17 sick and injured passengers on board, which had crashed in the Canadian Arctic during WW2. He was flying another C-87 on instruments at night over unknown terrain when he lost two engines on the same side and lost access to the fuel on that side too.

As a result, he could not reach any recognised airport. However, he learned over the radio that there was a new field still under construction that he could just make. It was much too small for a C-87 but it did have a radio range. When he arrived over the airport, he was told that the short runway only had a few kerosene flares, the ceiling was far below limits, visibility was half a mile, or even less in heavy blowing snow, and the wind was strong across the runway.

Ernest K Gann continues, "True to his profession, McGuire said later it was a rotten instrument approach. He was referring to his minor technical misdemeanors as if they were important at the time. HIs critique deliberately skipped the fact that the aeroplane was flying askew, everything below was foreign to him including the nature of the terrain, and they had to lengthen the runway before the C-87 could be flown away again. Nor would be mention how he swept down through the squalls, caught a mere glimpse of the runway, then somehow squeezed the ship into it's limitations, and landed without scratching the staggering beast of an aeroplane. All of these things, he passed off as inconvenient tribulations which it would be in poor taste to discuss....... It was he who was fraudulent, anyone must understand, and the ultimate success was achieved in spite of his efforts rather than because of them."
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Old 23rd Sep 2018, 18:29
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Originally Posted by runway30 View Post
If you come across someone who is
1) Superficially charming
2) Manipulative
3) Has a grandiose sense of self
4) A pathological liar
5) Has a lack of remorse, shame or guilt
6) Has a need for stimulation
7) Impulsive
8) Irresponsible
9) Lacks a realistic life plan
10) Has entrepreneurial versatility

Then you are probably looking at a sociopath. I refer to nobody in particular, I just give you this in case you come across one.
11) Friends in high places
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Old 23rd Sep 2018, 19:05
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Originally Posted by Sam Rutherford View Post
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So, for the avoidance of doubt, I think that three logbooks (from the aircraft, Tracey and Ewald, covering all three trips) should be presented at the AGM for inspection. They are legal documents, less prone to 'he said, she said' and so what better way to demonstrate that she's right and we're all wrong?
The full quote Sam is a great summary of log-book inspection needs and likely outcomes. There is another point I would be interested in too in those log books, in particular who flew the Stearman from Hungary to the UK back in July(?) 2013 and in what capacity. I am still not convinced that all is above board with regards to licencing and flying an N-reg across Europe months before the appropriate licences were issued. As far as memory serves me I understood it to be that neither of them were licenced to do so.

If I am wrong then I apologise now...however... anyone with more knowledge than I feel free to comment and allay my idle curiosity. The topic was raised back then but was lost/buried in the plethora of other very interesting posts.

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Old 23rd Sep 2018, 19:50
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Their FAA licences were issued on the same day: 23rd September 2013.

N-56200 was registered on the 26th of July 2013.
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Old 23rd Sep 2018, 20:13
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Originally Posted by Cazalet33 View Post
Their FAA licences were issued on the same day: 23rd September 2013.

N-56200 was registered on the 26th of July 2013.
Thanks.

On what date was N56200 flown to UK? Would the disparity between dates and licences be an issue?
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Old 23rd Sep 2018, 20:14
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Originally Posted by Null Orifice View Post
11) Friends in high places
Bingo ! ! !
It is exactly this and this alone which is driving this rather unwelcome and extremely high profile [re]visitation of all these very tired and very old bits of information .

I do rather feel that we should hold back a little in our criticism of the LAA , as I have a sneaky feeling that they really don't want this any more than anyone else does ,. which makes me wonder what exactly is going on in Ms Curtis-Taylor's head .
I am not particularly worried about how this affects her future . But I do have considerable concern about the LAA's future , because this concerns 8,000 people [including me ]and not just one .

So if I may just hypothesise a little : Let's just assume that a legal firm takes her version at face value . Has she been "destroyed" by internet trolls ? Or was her reputation lying in tatters long before it ever came up at an LAA - AGM .
Are the people who have questioned her integrity actually "internet trolls" , or are they normal , decent , grass-roots flyers ?
I do actually know the answer to this one !
I have absolutely nothing to hide . I know that 'Martyr' is a bit of a funny old surname , but it's what's on my birth certificate and not a username.
I stood up and was counted in 2016 and will do so again in 2018 ,2019 , 2020 ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,[ just keep counting].


And for those in Tracey's camp who believe I am some sort of antagonistic bigot . Just come up and shake hands on Oct21st , I will be delighted to prove to you that I am nothing more than an ordinary rank & file LAA'er . Like quite a few others who have pursued this !
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Old 23rd Sep 2018, 21:33
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Originally Posted by Forfoxake;10256402[color=#333333
. All of these things, he passed off as inconvenient tribulations which it would be in poor taste to discuss
And each of the really great pilots I have been fortunate enough to know, amongst them Ray Hanna, Judith Chisholm and Stef Karwowski, have had one overwhelming characteristic in their personalities, a sense of humility especially when asked about their flying experiences and achievements. To them all awards and citations were more of an embarrassment than something to be fought over as though they are personal possessions.

When I read the quote from Ms Curtis-Taylor in The Times article "I’ve had 35 years flying these kind of aeroplanes. I’m as experienced as anyone in the world flying them.” I noted not only a lack of that essential quality, humility, but also a lack of any sense of reality. No doubt Ms Curtis-Taylor's fellow Stearman (and similar) aircraft pilots from around the world will be happy to acknowledge her world leading expertise in their field.
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Old 23rd Sep 2018, 21:48
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It is to the credit of LAA that they reconsidered their position when the extent of her deceit came to light. They rescinded the award.

They did the honourable thing.

Pity that HCAP didn't. A different set of values, I suppose.
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Old 23rd Sep 2018, 21:58
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"I’ve had 35 years flying these kind of aeroplanes. I’m as experienced as anyone in the world flying them.”
At the last count, she had 450 hours on type. In 35 years.

Two crashes in 450 hours is not hugely impressive, is it?

When she pranged in Winslow she'd flown 2 hours solo in the previous 90 days and 3 hours solo in the previous 30 days. Not quite sure how that works, but those are the numbers she reported to the FAA/NTSB.
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Old 23rd Sep 2018, 22:00
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Originally Posted by Cazalet33 View Post
It is to the credit of LAA that they reconsidered their position when the extent of her deceit came to light. They rescinded the award.

They did the honourable thing.

Pity that HCAP didn't. A different set of values, I suppose.
+10

There is a distinct lack of honour.
TCT purports to be a champion for the female cause (that ethos died years ago) and is set on a pedestal as a role model. All she inspires is a notion that the only way to the top is to lie, embellish,cheat, and manipulate: Hardly worthy of a role model title IMHO. This is why I thought, and still think, that those great institutions who have garnished her with rewards have been hoodwinked into doing so but are too embarrassed to act. In that I include Portsmouth Polytechnic and The Royal Naval Reserve organisations.

Nick Adams, when are we going to see your great admission of guilt up on the BiaB site? Perhaps doing so may convey two things; a genuine desire to take the blame for this small piece of the whole charade, and confirmation that you are indeed who you say you are.

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