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MidlifeC (#4113),
makes the case well (my congratulations to his daughter). Many moons ago, BBC "Look North" filled a vacant evening slot with a similar tale of a 16 year old girl first-soloing in a glider.
Downwind (she was doing perfectly well, and would land nicely and safely), the presenter thought to add some extra drama to his spiel.: "No power on Earth can help her now !" he gasped.
That is the essence of "Solo". - and what this fuss is all about,
makes the case well (my congratulations to his daughter). Many moons ago, BBC "Look North" filled a vacant evening slot with a similar tale of a 16 year old girl first-soloing in a glider.
Downwind (she was doing perfectly well, and would land nicely and safely), the presenter thought to add some extra drama to his spiel.: "No power on Earth can help her now !" he gasped.
That is the essence of "Solo". - and what this fuss is all about,
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A repeat of post by Jay (# 1076) where he put up a copy of a post from TCT's FB page.
Much has been made of the "solo"bit, but what about the "circumnavigation" claim? As I posted in the Spitfire Circumnavigation thread the FAI defines circumnavigation as
Does the woman use a different dictionary to the rest of us?
If the LAA put any consideration into reviewing the award they're nuts. Feat of navigation? Using a GPS? If so, the award should be shared with the airline crews who flew her on her Sydney, Australia to Seattle leg of the trip. Then again, perhaps she was on the flight deck navigating, but that would have meant putting down the champagne and canapés.
Brian Abraham You certainly win the prize for getting away thus far with the greatest hoax played on a gullible public in modern times. The greatest con job ever. Solo? Pull the other one. Circumnavigation? Well if you count crossing the major watery bits seated in airline first class. You do fly first class I presume, and not with the plebs in business, or heaven forbid, economy.
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Pete Giles ?????
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Brian Abraham So what part is incorrect Pete?
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Pete Giles ?????
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Brian Abraham So what part is incorrect Pete?
Aviation records take account of the wind circulation patterns of the world; in particular the jet streams, which circulate in the northern and southern hemispheres without crossing the equator. There is therefore no requirement to cross the equator, or to pass through two antipodal points, in the course of setting a round-the-world aviation record. For powered aviation, the course of a round-the-world record must start and finish at the same point and cross all meridians; the course must be at least 36,770 kilometres (22,850 mi) long (which is approximately the length of the Tropic of Cancer). The course must include set control points at latitudes outside the Arctic and Antarctic circles.
If the LAA put any consideration into reviewing the award they're nuts. Feat of navigation? Using a GPS? If so, the award should be shared with the airline crews who flew her on her Sydney, Australia to Seattle leg of the trip. Then again, perhaps she was on the flight deck navigating, but that would have meant putting down the champagne and canapés.
An old-time sub who was doing his job properly would either have spiked this story without a second thought on the basis that it was entirely lacking in any such thing or sent it back for a rewrite. In newsroom terms it's nothing more than a boil of a blatant puff piece.
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Tabs please !
Here's a link to a document where both occupants describe themselves as flight crew and state their hours prior to the Winslow accident. That event is curiously described as only an incident but hey ho, just another slip of the pen. Pages 5 and 6 show the time claimed in the capacity as "crew".
https://dms.ntsb.gov/public/59000-59...012/594566.pdf
https://dms.ntsb.gov/public/59000-59...012/594566.pdf
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See this response, she's been here before:
Tracey Curtis-Taylor (Merged threads)
Someone take her spade away, her digging is becoming monotonous.
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Here's a link to a document where both occupants describe themselves as flight crew and state their hours prior to the Winslow accident. That event is curiously described as only an incident but hey ho, just another slip of the pen. Pages 5 and 6 show the time claimed in the capacity as "crew".
https://dms.ntsb.gov/public/59000-59...012/594566.pdf
https://dms.ntsb.gov/public/59000-59...012/594566.pdf
However Ewald chose to list himself as crew. Not surprising really considering the Stearman is registered to his company 3G Aviation.He has over 20,000 hours as an airline pilot and an instructors rating.
Strangely both Ewald and Tracey logged 6 hours on the Stearman in the 24 hours prior to the accident and
there is only three hours difference logged on type in the previous 90 days.
How could they both log the hours?
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so is this thread
Apart from the two apparently commissioned pieces in The Times and the critical Daily Mail report, it surprises me that no professional journalist has picked-up on this story. It would seem to be an interesting subject: pilot with considerable sponsorship claims to have flown expedition solo in video, doesn't correct hundreds of press reports that she flew the expedition solo, after being called-out on her claims, removes pages from her website (see waybackmachine.com) that clearly state she flew solo and is frequently shown in the company of another pilot on her expedition flights. When asked to explain by various male and female pilots including ex-Civil Aviation Authority members, proven aviation record breaking achievers and the person who actually planned her expedition, her defense and that of her supporters, is to blame misogyny, jealousy and now 'bad PR' but notice, they never address the actual evidence. Add to this the fact that, despite all her outrage and having threatened to take legal action, she hasn't. QED.
Having also read the number of largely critical comments posted on the on-line version of that "Times " article , I wondered if, in fairness, the good lady might also have followed up to clarify her current position regarding that divisive LAA issue.
Indeed she has linked herself to the piece in question, on 'Twitter"apparently, as can be seen via Google:
"Thank you for all the wonderful support I've received over this appalling miscarriage of justice. I am now focused on the LAA AGM next month when the new motion is brought."
Pretty unequivocal, I would have thought.
Indeed she has linked herself to the piece in question, on 'Twitter"apparently, as can be seen via Google:
"Thank you for all the wonderful support I've received over this appalling miscarriage of justice. I am now focused on the LAA AGM next month when the new motion is brought."
Pretty unequivocal, I would have thought.
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Time for the Truth – a Statement
Hello, I’m Nick Adams, I built and maintain Tracey’s website and I am the person who typed most of the wording.I know about computers, networking, website building/hosting, football and tennis but very little about flying.It was me that introduced the ‘solo’ element in the wording on the website which appears to have been picked up by various media who probably knew as much as I do (or maybe even less).The site was mainly built from sketchy inputs from Tracey and her team. Not surprising as she had far more pressing and urgent stuff to attend to and of course, is away quite a lot flying around the world. We did strive for accuracy but on the odd occasion I maybe gilded the lily a little.Anyway, I can assure you that she was pretty horrified when she saw my mistake and we worked hard to remove all references to that dreaded word!So basically all you shameful people who have been posting these vile and abusive comments here have been barking up the wrong tree as it’s me that is mainly responsible, however unwittingly.I think you owe Tracey an apology but from some of the vitriol I have read here I doubt if that will be forthcoming.Anyway, personally I am very proud to have been associated with Tracey and her team.If any of you are interested in your own website don’t hesitate to get in touch.Best regards
Nick Adams
Hello, I’m Nick Adams, I built and maintain Tracey’s website and I am the person who typed most of the wording.I know about computers, networking, website building/hosting, football and tennis but very little about flying.It was me that introduced the ‘solo’ element in the wording on the website which appears to have been picked up by various media who probably knew as much as I do (or maybe even less).The site was mainly built from sketchy inputs from Tracey and her team. Not surprising as she had far more pressing and urgent stuff to attend to and of course, is away quite a lot flying around the world. We did strive for accuracy but on the odd occasion I maybe gilded the lily a little.Anyway, I can assure you that she was pretty horrified when she saw my mistake and we worked hard to remove all references to that dreaded word!So basically all you shameful people who have been posting these vile and abusive comments here have been barking up the wrong tree as it’s me that is mainly responsible, however unwittingly.I think you owe Tracey an apology but from some of the vitriol I have read here I doubt if that will be forthcoming.Anyway, personally I am very proud to have been associated with Tracey and her team.If any of you are interested in your own website don’t hesitate to get in touch.Best regards
Nick Adams
Well Nick, you have just shot yourself and your web-building business well and truly in the foot. Do you think anyone is going to trust your business ever again? Your little gaff has had serious consequences.
Sorry Tracey for the misunderstanding.
(Actually that was just a slip of the keyboard; what I actually meant to say was I don't believe a bloody word of it. Nothing truthful has come from BiB. and just for the record it is NOT just about the word SOLO. There are plenty of other untruths and dodgy shenanigans surrounding her.
Sorry Tracey for the misunderstanding.
(Actually that was just a slip of the keyboard; what I actually meant to say was I don't believe a bloody word of it. Nothing truthful has come from BiB. and just for the record it is NOT just about the word SOLO. There are plenty of other untruths and dodgy shenanigans surrounding her.
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It's probable that it was a mere "slip of the tongue". Tracey is good at them .
So where did this "MoJ" take place then , was it at a crown court hearing somewhere ? The Old Bailey maybe ? Errmm no ,,,,. in a little old wooden hut on an aerodrome .
I was there too and despite the fact that everyone in attendance knew exactly why they were there , only ONE person was allowed to stand up and hold court . Us hoi-polloi were requested to "let her have her say" . Afterwhich , her team requested that because it was only the people in the room who had heard her correct version , then only the people in the room should be eligible to vote . i.e. They were attempting to fiddle the vote ! It should be pointed out that Curtis-Taylor had brought a substantial entourage along with her , in order that the expected showing of hands would go heavily in her favour . All she had to do was wipe out the effect of the by-proxy voters and she was home and dry.
Another point which needs to be addressed at this AGM is security [ more of our money, to be thrown in the shredder ] because at 2016's AGM , not one single person requested to see my membership card , same also with others I spoke to . Which begs the question , how many of Team Tracey's cohorts in attendance actually were members ?
So if we are going to be re-visiting the scene of a miscarriage of justice , then I think we can probably work out who the principal mis-carrier will be . I also has grave misgivings about the venue , Sywell's Cirrus Room . It was bursting at the seams in 2016 , with many folk having to stand . Now that she is being given licence to completely overshadow yet another LAA-AGM , I can see a logistical nightmare on the horizon.
There are one or two of a certain organisation's higher order , who really do want to take a good , long and hard look in the mirror over this !
Only just seen nickswebs contribution . Nick mate , you seem to have overlooked the importance of preceding that load of drivel with :
" For the Avoidance of Doubt " ...
So where did this "MoJ" take place then , was it at a crown court hearing somewhere ? The Old Bailey maybe ? Errmm no ,,,,. in a little old wooden hut on an aerodrome .
I was there too and despite the fact that everyone in attendance knew exactly why they were there , only ONE person was allowed to stand up and hold court . Us hoi-polloi were requested to "let her have her say" . Afterwhich , her team requested that because it was only the people in the room who had heard her correct version , then only the people in the room should be eligible to vote . i.e. They were attempting to fiddle the vote ! It should be pointed out that Curtis-Taylor had brought a substantial entourage along with her , in order that the expected showing of hands would go heavily in her favour . All she had to do was wipe out the effect of the by-proxy voters and she was home and dry.
Another point which needs to be addressed at this AGM is security [ more of our money, to be thrown in the shredder ] because at 2016's AGM , not one single person requested to see my membership card , same also with others I spoke to . Which begs the question , how many of Team Tracey's cohorts in attendance actually were members ?
So if we are going to be re-visiting the scene of a miscarriage of justice , then I think we can probably work out who the principal mis-carrier will be . I also has grave misgivings about the venue , Sywell's Cirrus Room . It was bursting at the seams in 2016 , with many folk having to stand . Now that she is being given licence to completely overshadow yet another LAA-AGM , I can see a logistical nightmare on the horizon.
There are one or two of a certain organisation's higher order , who really do want to take a good , long and hard look in the mirror over this !
Only just seen nickswebs contribution . Nick mate , you seem to have overlooked the importance of preceding that load of drivel with :
" For the Avoidance of Doubt " ...
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on the odd occasion I maybe gilded the lily a little
Or hers?
Is she ready to 'fess up to a lengthy campaign of misleading the gullible media and public? Or not?
I think you owe Tracey an apology
How did you hoodwink one or more very senior figures in the conspicuous finance house who spent oodles and oodles of boodle promoting and enabling her now apparent lies?
How did you do that, Nick? On your own?
You would be one very clever dude if you did that without her Ladyship's knowledge.
I greatly look forward to you telling us some more believable stuff, Nick.
Tabs please !
Mr Adams sir,
Thank you for putting yourself in a position where questions can be asked. You say that you wrote much of the material on the website. Did you also write the slide presentation where the "alone" claim was made ? Did TCT not see it before delivering the presentation ? Surely it would have been spotted and she would have been "pretty horrified", correcting the error immediately. I can't honestly believe any normal person stands in front of an audience and delivers a presentation without first knowing their material.
There are countless articles in the press where the word solo is repeated. You know as well as I do that most articles are largely cut and pasted from carefully crafted press releases. I doubt if many journos would bother to do their own research so I doubt that any errors you made on a web site resulted in countless misleading articles. You say that you know about football. If I were to describe a goal as a "solo effort", you would understand that the player created and scored the goal without the participation of a team mate. I know diddly squat about sailing but I know what a solo yachtsman is. Claiming you do not fully understand the term is rather "gilding the lily".
Did you also write the Wikipedia pages ?
Thank you for putting yourself in a position where questions can be asked. You say that you wrote much of the material on the website. Did you also write the slide presentation where the "alone" claim was made ? Did TCT not see it before delivering the presentation ? Surely it would have been spotted and she would have been "pretty horrified", correcting the error immediately. I can't honestly believe any normal person stands in front of an audience and delivers a presentation without first knowing their material.
There are countless articles in the press where the word solo is repeated. You know as well as I do that most articles are largely cut and pasted from carefully crafted press releases. I doubt if many journos would bother to do their own research so I doubt that any errors you made on a web site resulted in countless misleading articles. You say that you know about football. If I were to describe a goal as a "solo effort", you would understand that the player created and scored the goal without the participation of a team mate. I know diddly squat about sailing but I know what a solo yachtsman is. Claiming you do not fully understand the term is rather "gilding the lily".
Did you also write the Wikipedia pages ?
Time for the Truth – a Statement
Hello, I’m Nick Adams, I built and maintain Tracey’s website and I am the person who typed most of the wording.I know about computers, networking, website building/hosting, football and tennis but very little about flying.It was me that introduced the ‘solo’ element in the wording on the website which appears to have been picked up by various media who probably knew as much as I do (or maybe even less).The site was mainly built from sketchy inputs from Tracey and her team. Not surprising as she had far more pressing and urgent stuff to attend to and of course, is away quite a lot flying around the world. We did strive for accuracy but on the odd occasion I maybe gilded the lily a little.Anyway, I can assure you that she was pretty horrified when she saw my mistake and we worked hard to remove all references to that dreaded word!So basically all you shameful people who have been posting these vile and abusive comments here have been barking up the wrong tree as it’s me that is mainly responsible, however unwittingly.I think you owe Tracey an apology but from some of the vitriol I have read here I doubt if that will be forthcoming.Anyway, personally I am very proud to have been associated with Tracey and her team.If any of you are interested in your own website don’t hesitate to get in touch.Best regards
Nick Adams
Hello, I’m Nick Adams, I built and maintain Tracey’s website and I am the person who typed most of the wording.I know about computers, networking, website building/hosting, football and tennis but very little about flying.It was me that introduced the ‘solo’ element in the wording on the website which appears to have been picked up by various media who probably knew as much as I do (or maybe even less).The site was mainly built from sketchy inputs from Tracey and her team. Not surprising as she had far more pressing and urgent stuff to attend to and of course, is away quite a lot flying around the world. We did strive for accuracy but on the odd occasion I maybe gilded the lily a little.Anyway, I can assure you that she was pretty horrified when she saw my mistake and we worked hard to remove all references to that dreaded word!So basically all you shameful people who have been posting these vile and abusive comments here have been barking up the wrong tree as it’s me that is mainly responsible, however unwittingly.I think you owe Tracey an apology but from some of the vitriol I have read here I doubt if that will be forthcoming.Anyway, personally I am very proud to have been associated with Tracey and her team.If any of you are interested in your own website don’t hesitate to get in touch.Best regards
Nick Adams
As has been mentioned, she also claimed flying solo by omission. If she was so horrified by the word, why did she happily accept certificates, awards and press releases for four years, which clearly state she was solo, without once trying to correct the situation?
Finally, I and I am sure most people on this site, will happily give Ms Curtis-Taylor a fulsome apology if you or she would explain exactly in which part of the video below she is 'horrified' as she personally claims, on two occasions, that her flights were solo.
I look forward to your comment.