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Old 16th Nov 2017, 17:35
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Originally Posted by homonculus View Post
G Kest

she has certainly been an inspirational speaker to huge numbers of young people during her trips emphasising the benefits of studying the STEM subjects at school.

Please provide a shred of evidence for this claim which, to me at least, seems to have been lifted from the lady's own propaganda machine
Well she has certainly “inspired” a whole bunch of people on here; even if some of us could hardly be described as young......
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Old 16th Nov 2017, 17:40
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I would have thought that a pre-requisite for recommending that young people of either gender study STEM subjects would be to have done so yourself. Apparently not.

Perhaps I am qualified to encourage youngsters to pursue law or medicine as I know the square root of nothing about either subject.
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Old 16th Nov 2017, 18:02
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Well Sam I was impressed by her talk at the Cambridge Aero Club a few weeks ago and I am going to the RAeS tomorrow, Thursday 16th November to listen to three female pilots including Tracey speak on 'Women in Aviation' organised by the Air League.
Her talk at Cambridge was by an woman with a real passion for aviation and especially vintage biplanes. She made no mention whatsoever of being solo on her flights ok:
Why would she Barry?

Did you ask her why Ewald had to be up front across Africa and to Australia?

What did he do for women in aviation apart from have to babysit her on all those "solo" flights.

I quote you..

a woman with a real passion for aviation and especially vintage biplanes. She made no mention whatsoever of being solo on her flights ok:
By that I take you mean sponsored high end biplanes like the Spirit of Artemis with hotels to match?

With the servant in the front seat who dodged the cameras?

The job is done and despite being a co pilot she convinced the world she was "emulating/commerating Amy Johnson and Lady Mary Heath's solo flights.

The problem is they flew alone/solo/on their own.

I am sure all the old duffers in the various aviation organisations will pile on more accolades to Tracey.

The bottom line is she would never have got the publicity but for the fake news stories en route which will come back to haunt her.

For me Ewald was the star in building a wonderful Stearman, flew all the legs and got our fake solo 'Aviatrix' to Sydney then disappeared.

On a final note despite the big publicity Carol Vorderman has yet to fly around the world.

Bring on Colin Hales ������

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Old 16th Nov 2017, 20:11
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Surely, the very fact that the Air League feel that having talks about "women in aviation" has any relevance whatsoever in this day and age is an insult to women in itself isn't it ?
The reason why women don't pursue aviation as a career in 2017 is probably because they don't want to . Not because they can't !
Look at how many females are in prominent positions today ! Not because they've been given any special assistance from men in higher places , but because they've merited that position by their own endeavours .


It's the freeloaders who can't quite cut the mustard that make it so much more embarrassing for the many who can, that drag the level of play down to pre 1930s standards.
It insults the ones who did cut the mustard........Their names live on forever.
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Old 17th Nov 2017, 00:27
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On a final note despite the big publicity Carol Vorderman has yet to fly around the world.
I think Miss Peachy Bottom may surprise us yet, the word is she's been doing some training overseas recently in prep for her circumnavigation.
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Old 17th Nov 2017, 01:03
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If she does what will be so special?

Lachlan Smart did it at just 18!

Wings Around the World | One Teenager ? One Engine ? Endless Opportunities

There are plenty of women commercial pilots flying every day. Some fly with their partner or even their with dad.

A father and daughter have flown their last flight together as British Airways pilots. David and Kat Woodruffe touched down at London Heathrow on Thursday after completing his retirement flight from New York.

Read more: Father and daughter fly last flight together as British Airways pilots | Metro News
Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MetroUK/


Senior First Officer Laura Elliott and her dad Captain Peter Elliott took to the skies together for the first time to take passengers from Birmingham to Tenerife.

The pair, who both fly for Thomas Cook, are now hoping to make the daddy-daughter flight crew a regular occurrence.
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Old 17th Nov 2017, 04:37
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Originally Posted by piperboy84 View Post
I think Miss Peachy Bottom may surprise us yet, the word is she's been doing some training overseas recently in prep for her circumnavigation.
Chris Martyr,

I think this post may explain rather eloquently why many girls don't think a career in aviation is for them.
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Old 17th Nov 2017, 05:52
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Hi Gonzo,

In this particular case, and I really do mean THIS ONE - I think that's okay. It also isn't industry specific (aviation or otherwise).

Carol Vorderman is clearly very happy with (proud about) her past 'rear of the year' awards - at least, I've not heard any complaints (which would be perfectly reasonable) from her about the attention her bottom has received.

I don't think PB84 is calling anyone else Miss Peachy Bottom - at least not in public, anyway. :-)



PS Actually, now given to two people each year (one of each gender): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rear_of_the_Year
PPS I think perhaps time for it to be retired completely - but not my call!
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Old 17th Nov 2017, 06:34
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Given the sad news yesterday of the death of Joy Lofthouse, I can’t help drawing a comparison between Ms Curtis-Taylor and Joy and her colleagues in the ATA.

They flew Spitfires, Hurricanes (solo: no room for Ewald!) as well as multi-engined bombers, often only with the benefit of a quick look at the manual before doing so for the first time. Because they were not supposed to fly combat, their guns weren’t even loaded and they ran the risk of meeting an enemy intruder every time they flew.

If anyone deserves a thread here with a million reads.......
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Old 17th Nov 2017, 06:44
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Posted already Jonzarno.

http://www.pprune.org/private-flying...aged-94-a.html
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Old 17th Nov 2017, 06:56
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Yes I know, there’s also a thread on Flyer.

I had the privilege of meeting Joy at Project Propeller a few years ago. Although we only spoke briefly, she was a truly impressive lady!

My earlier post wasn’t to “break the news” but to draw the contrast.
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Old 17th Nov 2017, 07:33
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I saw her interviewed on tv some time ago. A true modest aviatrix who with all the ATA women did a wonderful job.

A nice quote in the Guardian obit
“Of course I remember the first day I ever flew a Spitfire, because that was the first day of our training. It was quite the fastest thing you’d ever flown. But my big worry, the first time I flew it, was whether I’d lose the airfield. You’re so busy looking at the cockpit, and then you shut the hood and you’re miles away by then because it was going so fast.”

ATA pilots often flew alone with no navigation aides, and the auxiliary incurred 156 casualties, largely caused by bad weather. The organisation was disbanded after the war.
Her wiki entry is quite brief.
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Old 17th Nov 2017, 07:38
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Originally Posted by Sam Rutherford View Post
Hi Gonzo,

In this particular case, and I really do mean THIS ONE - I think that's okay. It also isn't industry specific (aviation or otherwise).

Carol Vorderman is clearly very happy with (proud about) her past 'rear of the year' awards - at least, I've not heard any complaints (which would be perfectly reasonable) from her about the attention her bottom has received.

I don't think PB84 is calling anyone else Miss Peachy Bottom - at least not in public, anyway. :-)



PS Actually, now given to two people each year (one of each gender): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rear_of_the_Year
PPS I think perhaps time for it to be retired completely - but not my call!
Why close the thread Sam? Is her promised legal action against you approaching?
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Old 17th Nov 2017, 08:11
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Originally Posted by Hawker 800 View Post
Why close the thread Sam? Is her promised legal action against you approaching?
I don't think he was suggesting the thread be closed at all. Sam was referring to something else.
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Old 17th Nov 2017, 10:57
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Originally Posted by B Fraser View Post
I would have thought that a pre-requisite for recommending that young people of either gender study STEM subjects would be to have done so yourself. Apparently not.

Perhaps I am qualified to encourage youngsters to pursue law or medicine as I know the square root of nothing about either subject.
This is a really interesting point.

TCT has apparently no higher qualifications in science, but claims to be encouraging girls into STEM.


Theresa May has been expressing the importance of girls studying STEM subjects recently. She has a degree in geography.


A bit of googling just showed the Welsh skills minister Julie James recently also announcing on the topic. She has a degree in law.


A bit more googling highlighted a Helen Woolaston, head of the WISE campaign - dedicated to balancing gender inequalities in the sciences. No sign that she ever studied any STEM subject at a higher level either.


There would appear to be a lot of it about.

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Old 17th Nov 2017, 11:06
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Encouraging anyone to do positive things is good, the background of the encourager is not necessarily of consequence.

If, though, the encourager is using their own background to support their encouragement - then that background should survive scrutiny.
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Old 17th Nov 2017, 11:09
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Agreed. Some do that better than others.

(Mind you, if I make a habit of looking to politicians to show backgrounds that give them competence in any area they are in charge of, I shall probably just descend into a black pit of frustration.)

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Old 17th Nov 2017, 12:43
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Originally Posted by Genghis the Engineer View Post
Agreed. Some do that better than others.

(Mind you, if I make a habit of looking to politicians to show backgrounds that give them competence in any area they are in charge of, I shall probably just descend into a black pit of frustration.)

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Indeed, our new Aviation Minister, Baroness Sugg, may not know anything about aviation, but she has a serious reputation and should pick it all up with tenacity and respect from peers - good luck to her
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Old 17th Nov 2017, 15:43
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I think that the jury's out there - she was a Cameron policy backroom girl, and may be very good. Hard to see in reality however what she really did to earn that CBE!

However, best of luck to her - I'm quite happy to assume she'll be good at her job until she proves otherwise.

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Old 20th Nov 2017, 19:49
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Originally Posted by G-KEST View Post
Well Sam I was impressed by her talk at the Cambridge Aero Club a few weeks ago and I am going to the RAeS tomorrow, Thursday 16th November to listen to three female pilots including Tracey speak on 'Women in Aviation' organised by the Air League.
Her talk at Cambridge was by an woman with a real passion for aviation and especially vintage biplanes. She made no mention whatsoever of being solo on her flights and she has certainly been an inspirational speaker to huge numbers of young people during her trips emphasising the benefits of studying the STEM subjects at school.

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I am still puzzled by what Tracey has achieved. Why is she some sort of modern day heroine for the all the major aviation societies?

Let me remind you of your post on the LAA website last year Barry.

Postby Barry Tempest » Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:59 pm

I am not a regular visitor to this forum however I feel obliged to post that I have proposed a motion for the AGM to request that the LAA rescind the award of the Bill Woodhams Trophy to TC-T. The award was made in good faith however subsequent information now in the public domain has made a mockery of the claims made by her and the high powered PR circus involved along with her sponsors. I sincerely hope the motion will gain overwhelming support at the Sywell AGM.

Despite her "Inspirational speeches" her 'Aviatrix' image has been built on long distance flights which she admits were not solo.

Indeed her much edited wiki page is open to question.

They say a picture speaks a thousand words ....


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