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Old 19th Feb 2017, 10:25
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Seriously? 178 pages of whining and bitching from a bunch of blokes about a woman doing something impressive?
Actually, not all blokes and it's really about a woman impressively lying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZD6IsGmGgw
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Old 19th Feb 2017, 10:41
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As clareprop said, not all blokes and most certainly not about TCT doing "something impressive" unless you consider that her demolition of a perfectly good helicopter counts on that score.


Her "exploits" have not advanced enhanced female aviation one bit.
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Old 19th Feb 2017, 11:03
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Seriously? 178 pages of whining and bitching from a bunch of blokes about a woman doing something impressive? Haven't you lot got something better to do? Like, plan your own flight around the world?

Jeez. Pathetic.
Seriously? Trolling a thread you haven't read and making two fundamental errors in one sentence.

Jeez. Pathetic.
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Old 19th Feb 2017, 11:28
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A virtually brand new aircraft with a very experienced engineer and commercial pilot flying dual. Add to that a multi million pound budget and support team plus expensive PR companies. They dawdled along for three months while staying in high end hotels. I think I could have easily done it in a microlight in that time frame.
I see the flights were also pretty much between major airports many of them international hubs (crikey, think of the costs) with the odd small but still well equipped airport.

With all the weather, comms and information available on their ipad/SAT comm as well as a GPS nav display and a chase plane, you'd have to come from a parallel universe to describe it as an "expedition" etc etc as the lady often does.

A fun road journey that you'll always treasure the memories of, yes, but an "expedition", goodness me. There is nothing, in any way, "impressive" about these flights - nothing.

Like the others above and many, many others who don't frequent here, I've enjoyed similar as a 21 year old with 190 hours in my book - VFR and DR only the whole way including transoceanic 8-10 hour sectors ..... no GPS and no SAT comm in the days before Rock and Roll - even trying to get weather etc for the next leg was almost impossible. Great memories, great fun, a challenge, yes, but that's where you would draw the line - anything more and your flying buddies would, quite rightly, take the michael ! :-)

Jeez. Pathetic

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Old 19th Feb 2017, 13:07
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If she had an ounce of decency,honour or self respect then the first thing ,to correct the lies and deception , is to hand back the Masters Medal and Honorary Doctorate from Portsmouth University.

Then resign the Honorary Lieutenant Commander rank in the Royal Naval Reserve.

The latter is an insult to the genuine aims of the RNRM Charity.

They would find it hard to defend someone who has used the charity to bolster her false claims.

The Royal Navy and Royal Marines Charity is the principal charity of the Royal Navy. We exist to support sailors, marines and their families, for life.
Sadly she fought Barry Tempest,Chris Martyr and the LAA to try and hang on to the Bill Woodham Navigation Trophy.

She lost and if she feels that given time her saga will disappear the she is misguided.

There are many pilots more deserving of awards than Tracey Curtis Taylor.

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Old 19th Feb 2017, 13:48
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Slight drift here...great to see the post above concerning the late Brian Edwards.

I hadn't heard of him until I paid a visit to the family winery about 22 years ago.
Quite a man by all accounts and the family used to display all sorts of memorabilia connected with his life, including his lovely aircraft. I still have the photo quality poster of 'Matilda', which I purchased that day...along with a case of excellent wine.
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Old 19th Feb 2017, 14:10
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The good thing for him and his family is he did the trip for himself.

No glamour but no cheating.

I have only ever landed in Langley Park Perth in helicopter.


He did it on his return to Western Australia in the Tiger Moth and I was there to see him.
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Old 19th Feb 2017, 15:17
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I wonder what he would have made of the present situation.
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Old 19th Feb 2017, 15:46
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It's not all blokes at all.

Writing as a pilot who happens to be female, just the use of the derogatory word "Bird" is ridiculous enough and seems to describe a brainless female who can only do anything with the support and fnancial backing of a large team of men.

The comparisons with Amy Johnson are insulting. Amy was an officer in the RAF who died serving her country and had the right to wear those wings.

Amy got the prize money AFTER she COMPLETED the SOLO flight in an aeroplane she owned. As the first British woman to gain an engineers licence she did her own repairs and maintenance.

Neither myself or the many female students I have trained have been "inspired" by a stunt like this. For female pilots who deserve admiration and respect for their achievements there are many.

Polly Vacher flew a PA28 round the world to raise money for flying scholarhsips for the disabled and was rightly awarded the MBE. The only passengers she took were disabled people.

In recent times how about Lachlan Smart, Fedor Kornyukov, Dave Sykes, Julie Wang...what TCT did was not remarkable in any way for the flying just for its brazen publicity seeking.

I would be very surprised if anyone was positively inspired by someone who lies for publicity, who boasts of flying dangerously low and whose attitude towards African ATC after her silly flying in prohibited airspace was, to my mind, racist.

Hardly a role model for anyone but why single out women, or are we supposed to be too stupid to see through this?

If Boeing, Artimis etc wanted to help foster aviation they could have used that money for some scholarships, and hopefully not discriminated against men when doing so.
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I'm also a pilot who happens to be female. TCT has done nothing impressive. No-one doing it, male or female, would deserve an award. To suggest she should get an award BECAUSE she is female is insulting to women. End of story.
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Old 19th Feb 2017, 18:40
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This thread has gone fifty shades deeper since my last visit.

Keep it up!
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Old 19th Feb 2017, 20:57
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Originally Posted by Clare Prop
The comparisons with Amy Johnson are insulting. Amy was an officer in the RAF who died serving her country and had the right to wear those wings.
That's not true.
Amy was not an officer in the RAF
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Originally Posted by terry holloway
That's not true.
Amy was not an officer in the RAF
In strict terms, I suppose that's correct: she was an officer in the ATA. From her Wikipedia entry:

In 1940, during the Second World War, Johnson joined the newly formed Air Transport Auxiliary (ATA), whose job was to transport Royal Air Force aircraft around the country – and rose to First Officer.
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Old 19th Feb 2017, 21:54
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Originally Posted by Islandlad
Is that all you can pick at. Go talk to TCT ...
Beat me to it.
Straws and clutching springs to mind.
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Old 19th Feb 2017, 22:07
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That's not true
AJ was a First Officer in the ATA at a time when it was under the administrative control of RAF Maintenance Command. I think therefore, you'll find most people would suggest that the little part you decided to pick out from a wider piece about an amazing woman is better described as 'not quite correct'.

However, this is an example of 'Not true': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZD6IsGmGgw


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Old 19th Feb 2017, 23:26
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It's a shame that you refuse to recognise anything negative about how she has played this game.
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Old 19th Feb 2017, 23:30
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Originally Posted by Crash one
Beat me to it.
Straws and clutching springs to mind.
Not at all!
Just pointing out the importance of getting the facts right!
PPrune is a rumour network, but if something not strictly true, or a distortion of facts is published often enough, it quickly becomes fact. Fact!!

If the aim was to discredit her that's been done. I ask again what is the end game?

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It's a shame that you refuse to recognise anything negative about how she has played this game.
That is NOT true!
I recognise that the handling of the media (who always get it wrong) was poor, and that she failed to correct things when the word "solo" appeared. It was not a solo flight and she has expressed her regrets that people were misled.

Originally Posted by clareprop
AJ was a First Officer in the ATA at a time when it was under the administrative control of RAF Maintenance Command. I think therefore, you'll find most people would suggest that the little part you decided to pick out from a wider piece about an amazing woman is better described as 'not quite correct'.

However, this is an example of 'Not true': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZD6IsGmGgw
NO! She was not an RAF pilot. That is quite correct!
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Sole Pilot my arse.

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It's a shame that you refuse to recognise anything negative about how she has played this game.
That is NOT true!
I recognise that the handling of the media (who always get it wrong) was poor, and that she failed to correct things when the word "solo" appeared. It was not a solo flight and she has expressed her regrets that people were misled.

Is that it?

Are you not critical of the farce where she departs to Australia on her own, to give the impression she is doing it all solo?

Are you happy with her accepting the award for a solo flight?

Did the media get the Herne Bay video wrong?

She accepted an award for a feat of navigation in an aircraft with two GPS driven moving maps, but you think she deserved that?

After all this time there is no outreach evidence video, but you don't join in the calls to see that, why not?

Your constant defence of her actions, pretending to be a champion for the poor woman being ganged up on by keyboard warriors, is a bit shallow considering your joint background with Marshalls and your weasel responses about not being her spokesman, except when it suits you.

I was amused by your (accurate and deserved) instant attack on the suggestion that AJ was an RAF Officer. Having achieved that status, you are of course entitled to object to such claims. As are those who earned their wings and see T C-T wearing them without the hard work, talent and luck required by everyone else.

What a pity it is that you don't want to be critical of T C-T for lying about her commission in the RN.

Yeah, it's all the media's fault. I must have missed the bit where she expressed regret that people were misled at Herne Bay.


Her "Sole Pilot" claim is a typical wriggling response to being caught lying.

The campaign to salvage the reputation of Saint Tracey needs to find a defender with less baggage and more credibility. whatever gravitas you, or they, thought that your intervention here might have, well, I think that you are a busted flush.
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So Terry, would TCT have been accepted into the ATA do you think? You had to be a bit more than just a jolly super gel with royal connections.

OK so you can nit pick about whether a First Officer on the ATA was a "real" officer and denigrate them in that way but the fact is these women were doing really brave, really skilled things in all kinds of aircraft ON THIER OWN before TCT was born, amazing isn't it that any woman dared go near a nasty old aeroplane without TCT to inspire them let alone be a part of the war effort. Gosh, how daring of the lovely young things!

I doubt many RAF people would begrudge Amy and her fellow ATA pilots of wearing their wings.

This is a problem, TCT trying to drag people she can't even hold a candle to down to her level.

OUTREACH please. The whole issue of 'encouraging women into aviation" was 85 years too late. The barrier to any wannabe pilot isn't gender, it's money.

Please compare giving some talks to the work of Polly Vacher who has enabled many disabled people to fly, people who faced REAL hurdles, and tell me which is outreach and which is shameless publicity seeking to fulfil a contractual obligation with a sponsor

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OK I admit I am not a military person and I may not have been 100% accurate that she was "an officer in the RAF" would "a pilot in the ATA who ferried RAF aircraft" be accurate enough for you? Or were these funny brave little women of no consequence at all in your eyes? Perhaps they had a jolly super chap sitting with them, in case they should taxi into a stationary aircraft while putting on their lipstick?

Comparing my error, which I readily admit to TCT and her acolytes' distortions of the truth is laughable.
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