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Old 1st Dec 2016, 09:57
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This stinks!

Another institution run by the old fogies shows the stench of royal involvement and people who move "upper circles". No doubt it will now be an OBE and maybe even a knighthood for this most deserving of people. Possibly even a George Cross for gallantry in facing the wind in an open biplane or, as she is military (Rear Commander or whatever), maybe even VC her bravery in participating in thousands of outreach events around the world? The sky is the limit for this lady now she had made it past the misogynistics (and the women) who have been criticising her. It is obvious we are the stupid ones because the great institutions have all been more than happy to dish out the awards.

At least we can look forward to 2017 when this fantastic person picks up where she left off on her trip around the US. With her new found confidence of knowing she was right all along we can all look forward to some spectacular flying. She we open a book on her next prang?

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Prediction: Collision with power wires.
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A pretty sad and frustrating state of affairs.
It seems there are precious few "authorities" of any kind that have any real honesty about them, from the Church to Police, awards committees, Government, you name it.
The chancers are laughing at anyone with a grain of integrity.
It's not what you know, but who you know that matters. A phrase that was postulated to me many years ago by a total chancer.
At least it didn't do him any good though.
I shall sleep tonight knowing that whatever I've done with my life, I actually did it, whatever it's worth.
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Old 1st Dec 2016, 10:53
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Look on the bright side. Despite her best endeavors;

  1. Tracey Curtis Taylor has not been the recipient of any award recognising honesty, integrity or truthful reporting of her flying achievements,
  2. The entire general aviation community now knows that she did not fly "solo' as she claimed to have done, and instead she was accompanied on the trips that led to awards being granted by a 20,000 hour ATPL, Flying Instructor.
  3. Circumstances surrounding two aircraft crashes that she was involved in are a matter of public record.
  4. Brand Tracey Curtis-Taylor has an indelible stench that will forever be attached to her name.
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Old 1st Dec 2016, 11:39
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Do the idiots who have bestowed this trinket on these imposters have any clue as to the huge damage they have done to the reputation of all things British in the view of the rest of the world? As a Canadian I for one have, as a result of having watched, what until now I looked upon most British institutions as ethical organisations whose awards had some value were worth while achieving, not so any more! No wonder the movement to change Canada to a republic is gaining members, myself included, {ex RCAF pilot by the way} this decision has been helped along by a few senior British officers who are guilty of the most stupid support of this litany of lies. I can only hope that this woman doesn't still hold Canadian citizenship
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Old 1st Dec 2016, 11:48
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Do the idiots who have bestowed this trinket on these imposters have any clue as to the huge damage they have done to the reputation of all things British

Clunkdriver it doesn't work like that, unfortunately.

The 'idiots' of which you speak will most certainly be getting great pleasure from all this. I would go as far as saying that they are getting more entertainment from this than us.
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Old 1st Dec 2016, 11:51
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Mr Ghengis : was trained by military pilots to fly WW2 aeroplanes with the New Zealand Warbird Association.

What exactly defines a WW2 aeroplane ? IIRC TCT had some time in a Harvard which to the best of my knowledge was used as basic trainer for some aircrew but never fitted with any offensive capability. I guess that anyone who has flown a Tiger Moth can now lay claim to the same accolade however they would immediately be labelled as a complete wonker. As the venerable Chipmunk was used in anger to take sneaky photos of the Warsaw Pact hardware in what was East Berlin, can I say that I was trained to fly a cold war spy plane by a (former) military display pilot ?


You could not make it up, oh.... wait a minute.
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Old 1st Dec 2016, 12:33
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It really is a disgrace.
Terry Holloway suggested earlier that "If each of you gave us a fiver every time you wrote an unpleasant and misleading thread about Tracey CT our financial position would be much better."

Having watched events unfold I would not give a single penny to any organisation that openly supports, encourages, and rewards deception, cowboy-flying, corporate PR stunts. I will continue to inspire the future flyers with my role from within the Air Cadet organisation - that is where my money and time will be directed.

This most recent pat-on-the-back to her just makes me more determined to dig out the lies and get to the truth of this farce.

The key questions are repeated below:
1. What is the reconciliation between Ms Curtis-Taylor's well documented claim to have flown her african flight "solo" (Please see the video clip published earlier in this thread in which she personally makes that claim) and her subsequent public statement that the flight was not solo?

2. Given the above, what was she doing in the picture of her published earlier in this thread standing in front of a huge picture claiming she had been "Alone in an open cock-pit [sic] plane"?

3. By what authority, and with what qualification, does she wear RAF wings?
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In addition I would like answers to the following

- When exactly did the sponsorship requests begin?
- What did the investors THINK they were getting?
- When was it decided that these would not be a solo flights?
- Why was the solo aspect dropped?
- Were the sponsors informed of this material change?
- If so, when?
- Why was it felt necessary that the front seat would be occupied for the vast majority of the journey by Ewald?
- What steps did TCT take to correct the many SOLO headlines?
- Where is the evidence to show this even happened?
- Why, many months after the return to the UK, was TCT perpetuating the SOLO claim?
I have further questions relating to the mystery surrounding the *crash/accident/incident/bump/screw-up (*delete as applicable) at Winslow. I would not expect any truth to come from the BiaB camp so won't make them public here. They will now be directed to ATC Winslow and Joshua Cawthra (NTSB) investigator. It will be extremely interesting to see how their answers match the drivel in the official report narrative as submitted by TCT.
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B Fraser,
WWII aeroplanes vs Warbirds ...
This subject has been argued at length elsewhere - and there are indeed a couple of grey areas.

It is generally accepted that a Warbird is an aircraft that was specifically designed and produced for military purposes - whether it be a trainer or front-line fighter.
A WWII aeroplane, on the other hand, can be any aircraft that was impressed for service during that time of war.

Others might argue but here is probably not the place to do it.
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Old 1st Dec 2016, 15:03
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Mr Stanwell Sir,


I agree wholeheartedly however when we have someone "bigging it up" for shameless self-promotion then it becomes a valid discussion point in my view. Take for example, a jolly to Le Touquet. One individual might say that they are retracing the steps of Louis Bleriot by taking a monoplane across the channel. The reality is that they did nothing more remarkable than nipping over for lunch in a Cessna.
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Old 1st Dec 2016, 15:29
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What makes me laugh is that a whole Balbo of various vintage aircraft types , including a gaggle of TC-T "rejected" Tiger Moths among other open cock-pit bi-plane ( sic) types. is currently flying ,for fun and with leisure breaks, the length of Africa in 36 days, with benefits to charity.
I think that , in a way, the G.A. community is itself metaphorically putting the finger up to certain of the U.K. establishment's pumped-up posturings regarding one of its stool pigeons.
With some justification, I suspect Sam Rutherford will be allowing himself a well deserved quiet smile.

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Old 1st Dec 2016, 15:40
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SATCOS WHIPPING BOY (#2956 - I hope you didn't enjoy it too much !),
... They will now be directed to ATC Winslow and Joshua Cawthra (NTSB) investigator....
Hope we can get the true facts of this "incident" at last.

Agree with your entire Post. But I think most of our readers have already made their minds up, and are eagerly waiting for the "implosion". As somebody here put it: "So much egg - So many faces !"

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It seems that the pilot community in NZ have been brought up to speed with the lies:

Tracey Curtis-Taylor in NZ | Wings Over New Zealand
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Old 1st Dec 2016, 19:04
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To be fair you have to look at press reports to understand the true story.

Reading this I must ask how many of us are capable of facing such an epic series of flights?

By Jonathan Pearlman, Sydney12:15PM GMT 09 Jan 2016

Before setting off on her treacherous 14,600-mile solo voyage across the world in a vintage open-cockpit biplane, British aviator Tracey Curtis-Taylor was aware of the risks and planned for the worst.

So much so she had even carefully detailed her own funeral arrangements.

Today she joked she "needed a drink", after completing a three-month journey to retrace a pioneering feat of legendary aviator Amy Johnson, who in 1930 became the first woman to fly solo between Britain and Australia.

Setting off in October in her tiny 1942 Boeing Stearman, the 53-year-old soon faced thick “unflyable” fog that left her flying blind in Romania. Later, she flew through frightening dust storms in Saudi Arabia and fierce hot winds in central Australia.

But none of these proved to be her greatest moment of terror.
Instead, and somewhat fittingly, the biggest danger came from a threat that had also been faced by Johnson herself, whose 1930 voyage from London to Sydney was the model for Curtis-Taylor’s.

About 500 feet above the Pakistani city of Karachi, Curtis-Taylor suddenly found herself flying through countless flocks of “huge raptors”, or large birds, including vultures, eagles and buzzards.

Setting off in October in her tiny 1942 Boeing Stearman, the 53-year-old soon faced thick “unflyable” fog that left her flying blind in Romania. Later, she flew through frightening dust storms in Saudi Arabia and fierce hot winds in central Australia.
But none of these proved to be her greatest moment of terror.
Instead, and somewhat fittingly, the biggest danger came from a threat that had also been faced by Johnson herself, whose 1930 voyage from London to Sydney was the model for Curtis-Taylor’s.
About 500 feet above the Pakistani city of Karachi, Curtis-Taylor suddenly found herself flying through countless flocks of “huge raptors”, or large birds, including vultures, eagles and buzzards.

Recalling the episode after finally completing her voyage in Sydney on Saturday, Curtis-Taylor said she knew as she steered that a collision with a single bird could prove fatal.
“They were massing all around, wheeling all around the plane - sometimes they were out front looking down on me,” she said.

“If one flew into the engine, I wouldn’t get out [alive]. I didn’t know whether to try to dodge them or whether they will dodge me. In the end you just a steer course… Amy made the same comment in her memoirs. But the bloody things are still there, 80 years later.”

In her vintage reconditioned piston-engine plane, without a parachute and using 2,100 gallons of fuel, Curtis-Taylor traversed 23 countries after taking off from Farnborough on October 1 in her plane, the Spirit of Artemis.

Unlike Johnson, who famously set her course by using a ruler to draw a direct line between England and Australia, Curtis-Taylor was forced to fly around warzones in the Middle East and to navigate a maze of varying airspace rules and airport regulations in this age of the autopilot, which is often ill-equipped to deal with a vintage, fly-by-sight plane.

Curtis-Taylor’s voyage, aided by a support crew, eventually took her across Europe and over the Dead Sea and the Arabian desert to India, Pakistan and through Asia to Australia.

In the cockpit, her only modern conveniences were a GPS device and an iPad, which was essential for navigating a path through military airspaces and restricted zones. But she said the only damage to her plane was some dents from landing on a gravel strip in the Australian outback.

“It is all visual contact,” she said.

“I can’t fly at night, I can’t fly in cloud, I can’t fly in severely reduced visibility. It is stick and rudder. I am flying the terrain as I see it. I have a GPS, but if I see things I like I swoop in - over emus and kangaroos, over the rivers, looking for crocodiles. It is one of the rarest adventures in the world.”

An experienced solo pilot, Curtis-Taylor said the weather and varying winds posed almost daily challenges, including a period fog in eastern Europe that forced her to land in a cow paddock in Hungary.

In Saudi Arabia, she said, thunderstorms and dust storms forced her to “track” roads, keeping an altitude of about 100 feet.

“But they still have pylons and towers,” she said. “You have to be so careful. There were jagged rock mountains that loomed straight out of the desert. You are in lightning and it is dark as night. Every day there was something.”

Before departing, Curtis-Taylor, who lives in London, prepared a will and made funeral arrangements, including directions for the catering and music (she selected the songs Southern Cross by Crosby, Stills & Nash, about a Pacific sea voyage, and Gordon Lightfoot’s If You Could Read My Mind).

to be continued
Female pilot Tracey Curtis-Taylor lands in Sydney after epic journey in 1942 aircraft - Telegraph

When I read that I am in awe.

Prince Michael must be pleased he helped push the Spirit of Artemis out of the hangar at Farnborough in October 2015. A momentus day when the Queens cousin did his bit to launch a historic series of flights.

How many of us can say we had a member of the Royal Family push our aircraft out of a hangar?

That claim alone must be historic?

Here she is in a touching picture sporting the WW2 RAF brevet alongside Prince Michael.


He must be remarking what a nice touch to wear those historic wings worn by the brave during World War Two. ( If you read PPRuNe Prince Michael can I have some too? There must be a whole bunch of those lying in the attic at Buck House?)

If you manage to read the above you will understand why Tracey Curtis Taylor deserves the awards for the sort of flying none of us could ever imagine

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Old 1st Dec 2016, 20:47
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Incredibly brave and adventurous woman, who here amongst us would even contemplate let alone dare to go on a multi stop VFR bimble equipped with only a newly reconditioned plane and engine, sporting the latest Garmin kit, powered by all the free avgas you can burn and under the watchful eye of the aircrafts builder and 10,000 hour flight instructor?

It must have been abject hell cruising along day after day burdened with the angst of never knowing that this may very well be the night that the support team let you down by failing to secure accommodation that offered both a duvet turn down service and a mint on the pillow.

I too would have made funeral arrangements prior to departure if there was no assurance that those damned ungrateful natives in the former colonies would allow me to chose from the full dinner menu instead of the bar menu in the unfortunate event Sam failed to get the luggage delivered to the hotel bellhop on time.

Armed with the knowledge that danger was not solely reserved for the flying part she bravely ventured into classrooms full of kids of the local elite protected only by her PR advisor who mitigated the risk somewhat by assuring her that she and Artemis would not have to part with any cash donations as a retelling of her and Amy's flying exploits was more than enough to motivate any youth predisposed to a flying or engineering career.

Spectacular, just absolutely amazing, who needs Mother Teresa when we got our gal Tracey?
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Jonzarno - you are on cloud cuckoo
I'm beginning to think you're right. (But please don't rub it in!)

For a brief moment when Terry started to engage with us, I thought we might end up with a sensible solution that would go some way to righting the wrongs without hurting Ms Curtis-Taylor too much.

Ah well, ho-hum!
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I've just clicked on Jay Sata's link to a Telegraph on-line article. The article is dated 9th January, and the secondary headline reads:

The British adventurer recreating a historic 13,000 mile solo flight from the UK to Australia has landed in Sydney, saying: 'I need a drink'

Is it not fair to suggest that most, if not all, reasonable people reading that headline today would infer - just as on the day the article first appeared - that Ms Curtis-Taylor, in "recreating a... solo flight...", must have herself flown solo?

Newspapers containing misleading news used to be binned within a few days, but this article lives on in cyberspace. How can our meagre efforts on PPRuNe to set the record straight compete with mass media?
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Old 1st Dec 2016, 23:43
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Chris, the mass media is our friend on this. If there had only been the one reference to solo in the media then it would be easy for TCT and BiaB PR to explain it away. As it was all media reporting as solo, even the papers and TV channel that were the main supporters (Daily Mail and ITN), then it is harder to say "they got it wrong"; the misinformation can only have come from a single source - the BiaB team themselves.

It also means that we have sources to refer back to and verify what was said and by whom. There is the "on my own" quote in the Telegraph which I have checked by contacting the paper and both the journalist and the editorial compliance exec have said this was what TCT actually said to them. Add to that the Herne Bay vomit-inducer, the "Alone in an open cockpit" self promotional speech and you can conclude it is clear that we are correct. Even non-aviation bodies who have no direct involvement or reason to mis-report have documented it as a solo venture (see the Women's Institute presentation linked in one of my earlier posts).

There is absolutely no doubt that it was the media and the sponsors who were fed the solo yarn by TCT. Shame there are still sycophants out there that do not wish to see the truth in all of this.

As for TCT's next crash...It won't be power-lines or totem poles but a collision with her own ego; basically a Bird(in a biplane)Strike.
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Old 2nd Dec 2016, 22:09
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All summed up in the UK by one word.

Connections.

They do not come much better than Prince Michael.
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Old 3rd Dec 2016, 07:56
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Originally Posted by Jay Sata View Post
All summed up in the UK by one word.

Connections.

They do not come much better than Prince Michael.
Having had many dealings with the Royal Household over many years I can tell you that connections with members of the Royal family, in themselves,do not help. In particular, there are some very strict rules about involvement with what are seen as advertising, commercial activities and fundraising. Prince Michael will not have helped TCT directly one jot, and whist photographs such as this are impressive, I know they will not have influenced her sponsors Boeing (a US company) or Artemis (whom I know well through another Charity- The Haven). Both companies simply want publicity, and neither is interested in The Royal Family. In any event, this photo was taken after the sponsors had given the money.
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terry holloway,

I can tell you that connections with members of the Royal family, in themselves,do not help.
They certainly help if you have a public speaking business or are off to search for new sponsors.

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