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Old 28th Nov 2016, 04:47
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There has been frequent reference to outreach in the information attributed to TCT. It appears though, that the true theme of outreach may not have significantly reached those who would most benefit from the effort. Would TCT like to provide some more detail as to the success and outcome of her outreach efforts? Perhaps those of us who are unhappy with some misrepresentation, might find some balance in seeing a positive outcome from outreach efforts.

I am pleased to think that young aviation minded people have been the recipients of worthy, truthful mentoring, which realistically presents piloting with honour. TCT seems able to present numbers about how trips went, can she offer us numbers as to the programs presented, young people reached, and maybe flown? What future extensions of TCT's efforts carry forward from her work? Scholarships? Return visits?
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In ending I would point out that, I understand from others, TC-T is related to the Marshall family through her grandmother who was sister to the late Sir Arthur Marshall, the founder of the Marshall Group and a renowned aviator.
I think the connection is as follows:

Below is a link to a Marshall Group staff newsletter from 2012 . On page three, there is an article about the Air League where TCT is referred to as Robert Marshall's partner.
http://marshallgroup.co.uk/wp-conten...k-aut-2012.pdf

Below, is another link to Companies House where it can be seen that Robert Marshall was a director of Bird in a Biplane until resigning in 2013. The address shown for both directors (TCT and Marshall) is The Honey Bee House, Cambridge which would appear to be a residential property which was sold in 2014.
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/c...63562/officers

Sale of property.
4 bedroom bungalow for sale in Nine Chimneys Lane, Balsham, Cambridge, CB21 4ES, CB21

With reference to your comments on Mr Holloway, a quick search of Google indeed shows a very impressive background which Mr Holloway has comprehensively detailed in his Linkedin profile. It is obvious that Mr Holloway has spent many years involved with Marshall's which makes his input potentially of great interest. For whatever reason, he has decided to take up the mantle of defending TCT. Unfortunately, instead of taking the opportunity to rebut the accusations made against TCT with evidence and answers to the contrary, he decided to 'shoot the messengers', an approach which has much in common with TCT's and has gained him a temporary ban. Like others, I really hope that should he come back to the thread, he will take a different stance.

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Old 28th Nov 2016, 06:53
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It appears though, that the true theme of outreach may not have significantly reached those who would most benefit from the effort.

One definition of outreach is to give a kid all of your old training materials and some wise words along the lines of having a backup career if it all goes pear shaped. For example, my good friend Mr Cough agreed in a heartbeat to have a chat with my neighbour's lad who has his sights set on flying for a living. Hopefully one day, that lad will make it.


Having a bunch of rich kids pose for a photo opportunity is not outreach by any definition that I am aware of.
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Old 28th Nov 2016, 08:09
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Outreach - Tracey Curtis Taylor - Aviatrix, Adventurer, Inspirational Speaker

Definition - "Outreach is an activity of providing services to any populations who might not otherwise have access to those services"
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Old 28th Nov 2016, 09:15
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I welcome the input provided by Terry Holloway.

Perhaps he would be kind enough to provide details of this "outreach" programme that was brought to the attention of those who judged it as being "worthy?" Surely HCAP, who he defends and who he also claims knew that TCT was not flying solo, must have reviewed the full extent and volume of this outreach work otherwise how could they have judged it as being meritorious?

Also, in the full knowledge that TCT played no part in flight planning duties and was accompanied by a 20,000 hour ATPL Qualified Flying Instructor, perhaps he would also be kind enough to explain why TCT should be credited with possessing flying qualities that exceed those of any new PPL holder practised in the art of being guided, when necessary, by such an experienced tutor?
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Old 28th Nov 2016, 10:34
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What does the "R" in RAeS stand for?

I think you may have your answer. TCT has some influential friends.


Terry, I noticed you made mention of Chris Huckstep and his views on this situation. I know Chris from way back and I don't seem to recall him being the sort to suffer fools gladly and he would spot a BullS&%&$£r at a 1000yds. Is he aware of this thread and its factual content?
Established in 1866, the Society has been at the forefront of developments in aerospace ever since, seeking to: • Promote the highest professional standards in all aerospace disciplines • Provide specialist information & act as a central forum for the exchange of ideas • Play a leading role in influencing opinion on aerospace matters Her Majesty The Queen is the Society's Patron. - See more at: Royal Aeronautical Society | A Professional and Learned Society
This whole thing has become a mess and a disaster for ALL involved directly & indirectly.

I have formally cancelled my membership to the RAeS after finding out about the award to TCT.

I still ask that TCT does the honorable thing over this.

She is a disgrace to herself and aviation.

I have no more to say on this matter, as the last time I posted the thread was shut-down which I apologise for.
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Old 28th Nov 2016, 11:32
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Dear Mr Holloway

You invite members to feel sorry for Ms Curtis Taylor. She currently enjoys a hugely privileged lifestyle, swans around the country accepting a series of awards and accolades, has no need of what any of us would recognize as an actual "job" to fund any of this, has spent hundreds of thousands pounds flying through countries where people live on a dollar a day without ever, as far as one can tell, being moved to direct her considerable fund raising abilities to helping them in any tangible way and she threatens litigation if anyone ever points out any of her lies and misrepresentations. I think you are asking rather a lot of people.

You ask that people give her credit for some gutsy flying. People would have been more than happy to do exactly that. It was TCT herself who was not content with that. She wanted the status and celebrity and profile of a modern-day Amy Johnson. And she has achieved it. Nobody would ever have been any the wiser had not Jay smelled a rat and then pursued it. Can I suggest that in encouraging her pursuit of fame and status (rather than helping her see the role she has had in provoking justified criticism) you are not really doing her a service.

TCT has been blessed with striking good looks and is, by all accounts, very charming in person. This combination has been sufficient to separate many men in positions of power from their good judgement. Perhaps you should take this enforced hiatus and ask yourself if you might not be one of them.

She complains of misogyny. The great irony is that, were it not for her looks and feminine charms, nobody would ever have heard of her.

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Old 28th Nov 2016, 12:33
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Ref #2885.

Some reports on TCT by the RAeS,and perhaps their understanding of the events that followed, may be gleaned from the following

Royal Aeronautical Society | Society News | Australian Division hosts Tracey Curtis-Taylor

"While Curtis-Taylor’s flight was basically a solo exercise she did have occasional VIP passengers, including a member of the Greek royal family and a Saudi princess. Australian Division corporate partners in attendance at the exclusive event included Qantas, Boeing, Airservices Australia and the Royal Australian Air Force.


Royal Aeronautical Society | Latest News | ?Bird in a Biplane? sets off for Australia

‘Bird in a Biplane’ sets off for Australia
5 October 2015
Aviatrix Tracy Curtis Taylor has set off on her recreation of Amy Johnson’s trans-global flight to Sydney, Australia.
Curtis Taylor began her journey from Farnborough on 1 October. Her flight will see her flying solo through 23 countries. She expects to arrive in Sydney in January 2016.

And a talk she gave to the RAeS(Australian Division)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA6EBVunxnM

RAeS Sydney Branch - Tracey Curtis-Taylor


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Old 28th Nov 2016, 13:04
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It's not for me to comment. All along The Air League knew they were not solo flights. The award was given on that basis and for the reasons I have outlined and HCAP were the same.
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‘Bird in a Biplane’ sets off for Australia
5 October 2015
Aviatrix Tracy Curtis Taylor has set off on her recreation of Amy Johnson’s trans-global flight to Sydney, Australia.
Curtis Taylor began her journey from Farnborough on 1 October. Her flight will see her flying solo through 23 countries. She expects to arrive in Sydney in January 2016.
Farcical.
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Old 28th Nov 2016, 13:29
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"Farcical"



It's nice when it is this clearly evident to see how 'the rules' pan out for some.

Establishment connections obviously assist.
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Old 28th Nov 2016, 17:52
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The Air League are truly prophetic. I wonder if they will supply me with next week's Lottery numbers...

"They knew all along that the flights were not SOLO!"

Strange considering that Boeing, one of the key sponsors, were still promoting the flights as SOLO as late as November 2015.

Old news for us but worth a read by Terry and his colleagues.
http://www.boeing.com/resources/boei...essRelease.pdf

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I wonder if Mark Chapman is a member on here, if so, may I ask that he drops me a PM so I know where to send him a bottle of single malt.

What Terry and all other supporters have failed to grasp is that for every award, apart from the HCAP Master's Medal, there will have been a runner-up on the nominations list; perhaps someone who is truly worthy of award and public credit.

The only awards I can think of that TCT deserves will be multiple Man Booker Prizes for Fiction.
I am sure her log-book, CV, and forthcoming biography* would be worthy of such distinction. I feel the post-crash at Winslow report is worthy in the short-story category.

*I was going to write autobiography but we all know it would be the work of a third-party.

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Old 28th Nov 2016, 22:10
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I have a couple of flying friends in New Zealand - one an aerobatic ace and the other a gliding instructor. When I inquired about TCT they told me that there are lots of people from far afield currently asking about and investigating to establish the truth about her history and flying exploits in NZ.
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 07:00
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The only evidence I can find of her 'Outreach' is that on her wiki page.

Several stopovers were scheduled into the flight, often with the aim of introducing Curtis-Taylor to local communities and to inspire others, particularly women.[25] In Dubai, the plane was part of the Boeing display at the Dubai Airshow in the United Arab Emirates,[6] while Curtis-Taylor was a keynote speaker at the International Aviation Women's Association conference.[26]

In Pakistan Curtis-Taylor was hosted by Squadron Leader Saira Batool of the Pakistani Air Force,[27] and visited a school in Karachi with Pakistani mountaineer Samina Baig to speak about their adventures and to inspire the children.[28][29] In Singapore, she met with girls and women involved in the UN Women programme Girls2Pioneers, which aims to encourage young women into STEM careers.[25]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracey_Curtis-Taylor

For the above according to wiki May 2016, the Air League presented her with a framed address in recognition of her flight from Farnborough to Sydney.No mention of outreach.

In July 2016, the University of Portsmouth, England, awarded her an honorary doctorate degree and of course this year the Honourable Company of Air Pilots awarded her its Masters Medal for her work in "raising awareness of science and technology in general, and aviation in particular, amongst young women across the world".

Most ordinary people have to do a hell of a lot more to get such recognition.

Can anyone discover why in October 2015, she was appointed an Honorary Lieutenant Commander in the Royal Navy Reserve?

Clearly someone was working hard behind the scenes to deliver the awards.
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 07:01
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sophi: I have a couple of flying friends in New Zealand - one an aerobatic ace and the other a gliding instructor. When I inquired about TCT they told me that there are lots of people from far afield currently asking about and investigating to establish the truth about her history and flying exploits in NZ.
I believe all that can be established has already been posted on this thread.
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I was referring to sophi's of comment about establishing the truth about her flying career in New Zealand. It's all covered in this thread. No need to go asking around.

A postage stamp would be plenty big enough from what I've read.
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To be fair the attached link includes a stopover TCT made in Singapore where she talked to kids about persuing their dreams and STEM. However I think that with all the money and resources that Artemis and Beoing threw at this deal and the awards that have been given, something a bit more concrete on the outreach part could and should have been done, perhaps a scholarship or a PPL course for a deserving kid. Certainly a bit more than what appears to be a lecture on what she has been up to finished off with an admonishment to the kids to stick in at there schoolwork. It's a nice gesture but hardly noteworthy, when I was a kid the local cop used to come into our primary school and lecture us on how not to get flattened while biking into school then dished out cycling proficiency badges to everyone, I can't remember any awards ceremony for him and he probably saved a few lives.

https://www.superadrianme.com/travel/historic-1942-b/

Edit to add: The link below is from the "Outreach" page of girls2pioneers Singapore website.The same folks that TCT imparted her wisdom with. It lists the NGO's and corporate sponsors who financially support the program but nary a word about our favorite hedgefunders Artemis. Looks like they were riding for free on this photo op the low rent buggers.

http://unwomensg.wixsite.com/girls2pioneers/outreach

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Old 29th Nov 2016, 09:18
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I have a couple of flying friends in New Zealand - one an aerobatic ace and the other a gliding instructor. When I inquired about TCT they told me that there are lots of people from far afield currently asking about and investigating to establish the truth about her history and flying exploits in NZ.
A look at a couple of canopener's posts, starting with #196 on page 10 of this thread might help fill a couple of gaps.
He is in a position to know about such things.
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 10:37
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Youngest person to fly solo, single engine AROUND THE WORLD!
https://www.facebook.com/WingsAround...c_location=ufi
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 10:43
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Don't think this has been seen on here yet, was posted on youtube in the last few days, still blaming men;



Or this;

http://rnzaf.proboards.com/thread/24...crollTo=244314


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Old 29th Nov 2016, 12:54
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Last night was the RAeS Awards and Medals Ceremony.

Anyone in the know as to who got what and why?

Royal Aeronautical Society | Event | 2016 Honours, Medals, Awards & Prizes Ceremony
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