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Old 26th Nov 2016, 20:09
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Terry, I know my anonymity bugs you but that is not my intention. I wish to remain "anon" for personal reasons that have no bearing on my judgement of what she has and has not done. That said, there are some amongst TCT's friends who will be very keen to remain "anon". nudge nudge wink wink.

You said "I view the lack of flying opportunities (and lack of enthusiasm for flying) in the ATC as very sad"
That is far from correct, the enthusiasm is certainly there, and it will not be bolstered by anything TCT has claimed to have done. If TCT could come up with the money to replace the mis-serviced aircraft that were grounded, or could fund a fleet of new gliders then I think she would deserve an award. Just think what Artemis and Boeing money could have done there. I am surprised you were not aware of why thecadets were not flying as much as they want to.

As for Artemis not supporting the Air League...er...might just have something to do with them being mugged by a Bird in a Biplane. Once bitten, twice shy and all that.
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Old 26th Nov 2016, 20:33
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Personally, I recognise Tracey's achievements for what they are. Pretty much the same as other similar achievements barring the lies, self-aggrandising and promotion.

There you go.

Now, is there any proof that Tracey's "outreach" actually reached anyone, female or otherwise, outside of aviation and did it result in anything more worthwhile than some awards (earnt or not) for her?
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Old 26th Nov 2016, 20:35
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The truth has been out for ages but as prosecutor, judge and jury he is intent - for whatever reason - in totally destroying her life and reputation.
From my careful reading on this thread, and the referenced material, I think I know the truth in large part. My knowing, however, is subject to hearing the other side, perhaps there are truths in there, which have not yet emerged. Terry has presented information to defend TCT, though it has not yet persuaded me.

If TCT's life could be destroyed by a group of people presenting references to information in the public realm, much of it originating from TCT herself, TCT might well review her position. TCT has been asked to present her perspective here, and I'm convinced that she is aware of the contents of this thread. But still nothing.

Terry has done an admirable job in presenting another perspective for his own reasons. If TCT would like to be more welcomed in the general aviation group, her truthfully addressing some concerns expressed by the group would go a long way toward that. The concerns expressed in the thread, are generally clear and articulate. TCT would like to be known as a public speaker and ambassador, so presenting a public response which is truthful, should be within her comfort zone.
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Old 26th Nov 2016, 21:26
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terry holloway,

Below is evidence of a lie.

Please explain or defend as you wish...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZD6IsGmGgw

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Old 26th Nov 2016, 21:56
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Air Cadets have missed out on flying, and the lack of enthusiasm amongst them stems from their diversion to other things and no flying!
Wow, a broad generalization! Are the Air Cadets on the whole deserving of such an indictment? We established pilots are here to encourage them, in good will, if nothing else, are we not?

However, it seems that this very broad statement, which is a diversion from the topic of this thread, and our discussion, could have distracted us from the worthy, on topic question posed by Clareprop. Let's go back and focus on thoughts about the video of TCT speaking a lie.....
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Old 26th Nov 2016, 22:00
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Originally Posted by clareprop
terry holloway,

Below is evidence of a lie.

Please explain or defend as you wish...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZD6IsGmGgw

I have seen that. It's not for me to comment. All along The Air League knew they were not solo flights. The award was given on that basis and for the reasons I have outlined and HCAP were the same. My argument is not about solo flight. It's about recognising that it was a demanding flight and giving her some credit. What's the aim of Mike Flynn? To pillory her until kingdom come? Come on and show a little pity for her, or a little sympathy or remorse for being so very nasty to her, and ruining her life. I bet she has feelings.

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Old 26th Nov 2016, 22:11
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If "All along The Air League knew they were not solo flights" were they not complicit in the deception?
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Old 26th Nov 2016, 22:36
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How did they know they were not solo flights when every bit of evidence points to them being advertised as solo flights?
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Old 26th Nov 2016, 23:02
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I can't quite see why averaging about 100 miles a day might be described as demanding. Some people could beat that on a bicycle.

Well, I can see a possible reason, but it is speculation. I read a paragraph from one article out loud to a non-flying relative. That's not right she said, it's not there.

And what is all this so-called outreach? Do a search for her on a school visit, and it's quite hard to find results.
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Old 27th Nov 2016, 00:17
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Islandlad,
".. it all looks like the sham continues."
Of course it does.

It's a little hard to feel 'pity' and 'sympathy' for someone who blatantly continues to strut the stage on the basis of not so well-considered deceptions.
Perhaps Terry Holloway's energies might be better spent on persuading TCT so seek help.
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Old 27th Nov 2016, 02:27
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Under FAA rules you cannot be crew in that type/class of aircraft
Terry, Yes you can. The FAA define "flight crew member" as, "crew member means a pilot, flight engineer, or flight navigator assigned to duty in an aircraft during flight time".

Had Ewald been a passenger he would have been listed as such in that particular section of the report which asks for the passengers names. But none are listed.

The accident report has the following options to describe your crew member status,

Pilot
Copilot
Flight Instructor
Student
Check Pilot
Flight Engineer
Other

Ewald ticked "Other". He is saying in black and white on the accident report that he was crew and was logging the hours, and the report states the number of hours he so logged. He is openly saying he was not a passenger. So in what capacity was he acting as "crew". My guess is that TCT was acting as PIC under supervision, ICUS we call it here.
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Old 27th Nov 2016, 06:08
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...To pillory her until kingdom come? Come on and show a little pity for her, or a little sympathy or remorse for being so very nasty to her, and ruining her life. I bet she has feelings.
Truly bizarre. As can be seen in the video and in extracts from her website, she has been caught out in a big lie. Where is her remorse? All I see are ridiculous 'statements of clarification' which do not address her deceit but instead blame others - just like you are now doing.
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Old 27th Nov 2016, 07:36
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My argument is not about solo flight. It's about recognising that it was a demanding flight
Mr Holloway sir,

Sam Rutherford has confirmed that TCT did not carry out or participate in most of the flight planning. She didn't even carry her own bags. The "demanding" aspects of the trip were performed by Ewalt or the team of hired hands.

As for the outreach element, you may be aware that there has been some last minute window dressing such as the recent presentation to the children at a rather exclusive school in Asia Dulwich College International schools host British aviator Tracey Curtis-Taylor - DULWICH COLLEGE INTERNATIONAL. I suppose if the children don't wish to follow a career in investment banking then TCT has shown them an alternative lifestyle which avoids what most of us would describe as work. How such a presentation merits any recognition is beyond me.


What I object to are the often repeated claims that as a woman, TCT has had to struggle in a man's world. What utter tosh. A woman is the CEO of a very successful international airline. We came within a whisker of having the 3 leading western countries run by women. I have women friends who are highly successful pilots including my lovely former instructor. Another female friend takes great delight in flying her jet through the dustier parts of the globe. The glass ceiling was shattered years ago and the world has moved on.


At best, TCT appears to have been asleep. At worst, she has perpetuated the gender war to excuse her personal shortcomings.


I encourage you to read the minor incident report where the wings were ripped off the Stearman. You will read that Ewalt had logged more hours than TCT in the preceding month which is compatible with him having performed test flights prior to the trip. He knows what he's doing so why has he logged the hours ? Hardly the actions of a mere passenger.
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Old 27th Nov 2016, 08:37
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Originally Posted by B Fraser
What I object to are the often repeated claims that as a woman, TCT has had to struggle in a man's world. What utter tosh. A woman is the CEO of a very successful international airline. We came within a whisker of having the 3 leading western countries run by women. I have women friends who are highly successful pilots including my lovely former instructor. Another female friend takes great delight in flying her jet through the dustier parts of the globe. The glass ceiling was shattered years ago and the world has moved on.
+1

I'm not fussed about solo or not (though the deceit makes it very difficult to feel any sympathy) but I do feel very strongly about the message given to children when trying to encourage interest in aviation and engineering. It is great to celebrate the story of Amy Johnson and the other notable women who broke down barriers for us, but nowadays a career in aviation or engineering is there for the taking if girls are interested in it. We try to encourage kids (girls and boys!) to consider STEM careers because they are fun and interesting, and we try to make sure it seems like a normal, natural choice.

I'd be interested to know what activities Tracey does with the kids at the schools she visits, as we STEM ambassadors are always looking for new ideas.
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Old 27th Nov 2016, 09:22
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Originally Posted by yotty
If "All along The Air League knew they were not solo flights" were they not complicit in the deception?
Don't be ridiculous!
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Old 27th Nov 2016, 09:51
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It's not as ridiculous as you might want to make out.

Someone made a spider-graph many pages back.
At a glance, quite a bit became glaringly obvious.
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Old 27th Nov 2016, 10:18
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I cannot understand how it is possible for Mr Holloway to comment and defend aspects of TCT's activities but when faced with the Herne Bay video he says it's not for him to comment. You can't have it both ways. That message is also for HCAP, Air League, RAeS, the University of Portsmouth plus any other organisation that considers it good practice to ignore the evidence and choose that which suits them best- all to avoid losing face and admitting mistakes have been made.
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Old 27th Nov 2016, 10:21
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Islandlad . When you consider that before this "outreach" canard was loudly promulgated, the "solo flight" edition TC-T was openly decrying modern technology, I do wonder.
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Old 27th Nov 2016, 10:34
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Terry - A simple defence of this woman is not possible. And a complicated one is totally impossible. I am sure you are an honorable person and a trying to do the right thing by defending her, your employer and the Air League but I think what you are trying to do is doomed to failure. Our modern world and technology means that where ever we go, huge great big electronic footprints are left behind and like red wine stains on a wedding dress, are totally impossible to remove. Tracey's past is clear for us all to see and even though attempts have been made to clean the dress, all it does is make the stain worse.

May I suggest that you help Tracey take a different path? It is clear she is a good speaker and communicator, she enjoys a public presence and loves flying her plane. If she is ever to be rehabilitated she will have to do something different. So get her to bite bullet. Admit the PR machine behind her has got it hopelessly wrong, admit she did little or nothing to correct it, hand back the awards and commendations etc. and stop wearing RAF wings. Then get some help. Firstly, to come to terms with reality. Then to launch a real outreach programme. One that works with the lower stratas of society and encourages them to work harder at school. We also need girls in particular to break into STEM areas. We are going to need everyone to do their bit post Brexit and losing 50% of our able bodied youth because they don't think they belong is bonkers. In the developing parts of the world, invest time not on photoshoots with women pilots but time with those who are preventing women from fully participating in their societies. Then, after building a solid worthwhile reputation doing some real work with a little flying on the side, accept an award for a real achievement.

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Old 27th Nov 2016, 10:36
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Terry Holloway claims that:
The truth has been out for ages but as prosecutor, judge and jury he [Mike Flynn] is intent - for whatever reason - in totally destroying her life and reputation.
From the abundant evidence, T C--T has already totally destroyed any possible good reputation she might once have had, all by herself, without any assistance from Mike Flynn or anyone else.

If she chooses to continue the charade with more lies, deceipt, cover-ups and backtracking, whilst blaming others and refusing to accept any blame in orchestrating her downfall, to the extent that it also ruins her life - as Terry Holloway suggests - that is entirely in her hands.
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