Suspended av med and renewals
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Suspended av med and renewals
I had my class two av med suspended last October due to a minor heart condition that is being sorted out gradually which means I can't fly as PIC. My Ir(r) reval is due at the end of April. Being as I won't be PIC on the reval flight is there any reason I can't fly it?
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No, go ahead and do it. Although there is nothing extra to do if you let it go past the expiry date by a few months either.
As an aside, if you're finding not flying as PIC troublesome and it's going to take a while to sort the class 2, you could always get an NPPL with SSEA class rating issued for now, which would get you flying again. I'm assuming here that the "minor heart condition" hasn't come with a recommendation not to drive a car?
As an aside, if you're finding not flying as PIC troublesome and it's going to take a while to sort the class 2, you could always get an NPPL with SSEA class rating issued for now, which would get you flying again. I'm assuming here that the "minor heart condition" hasn't come with a recommendation not to drive a car?
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I am sorry to hear that! You mentioned Minor? It may well be worth discussing the condition in the medical section or messaging Radgirl in that section for some advice on how long this restriction is likely to hold if you want to keep it more personal
If it is a dual pilot restriction rather than suspension then I see no reason why you cannot revalidate your IR
Hope its sorted soon
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I am sorry to hear that! You mentioned Minor? It may well be worth discussing the condition in the medical section or messaging Radgirl in that section for some advice on how long this restriction is likely to hold if you want to keep it more personal
If it is a dual pilot restriction rather than suspension then I see no reason why you cannot revalidate your IR
Hope its sorted soon
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Thanks for the replies guys. I didn't know that the reval test was the same if you let it over run a bit.
MrMum: I have thought about going onto an NPPL but am not sure how easy it would be to upgrade it back again once I get sorted.
Pace: I have paroxysmal atrial fibrillation, IE heart flutter that comes and goes, sometimes I don't have it for weeks. DVLA are fine with me driving, the condition doesn't make me feel ill or faint in any way, in fact the only reason I knew I had it was that I was laid in bed with my ear on the pillow one morning and noticed my heart was beating faster than normal by the rushing sound you get in your ears. I thought I ought to mention it to my doctor and he sent me up to the hospital for tests where they found out what it was.
They can't treat it with drugs to reduce the rate when it happens as I also have a natural condition known as bradycardia which means my resting heartbeat is around 35-40 bpm. They tried me on a beta blocker and once my heart went back into normal sinus rhythm my rate dropped to 23 bpm because the beta blocker was till in my system... My heart and surrounding bits are fine physically, it's the electrical circuitry that drives it that has gone a little wonky. So I'm waiting for a procedure known as an ablation where they burn away the circuits that are causing the problem, although the heart specialist that is dealing with me now wants to fit a pacemaker so that he can get my resting heart rate up first...
Getting old: not recommended.
MrMum: I have thought about going onto an NPPL but am not sure how easy it would be to upgrade it back again once I get sorted.
Pace: I have paroxysmal atrial fibrillation, IE heart flutter that comes and goes, sometimes I don't have it for weeks. DVLA are fine with me driving, the condition doesn't make me feel ill or faint in any way, in fact the only reason I knew I had it was that I was laid in bed with my ear on the pillow one morning and noticed my heart was beating faster than normal by the rushing sound you get in your ears. I thought I ought to mention it to my doctor and he sent me up to the hospital for tests where they found out what it was.
They can't treat it with drugs to reduce the rate when it happens as I also have a natural condition known as bradycardia which means my resting heartbeat is around 35-40 bpm. They tried me on a beta blocker and once my heart went back into normal sinus rhythm my rate dropped to 23 bpm because the beta blocker was till in my system... My heart and surrounding bits are fine physically, it's the electrical circuitry that drives it that has gone a little wonky. So I'm waiting for a procedure known as an ablation where they burn away the circuits that are causing the problem, although the heart specialist that is dealing with me now wants to fit a pacemaker so that he can get my resting heart rate up first...
Getting old: not recommended.
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Well officially I have my fifteenth birthday on the 29th of next month. You do the maths!
Actually I ought to change my forum age to reflect that.
Edit: LOL, I just tried to change my birthdate to Feb 29 2001 to get my age up to 15 and of course 'You have entered an invalid birthdate.'!!
Actually I ought to change my forum age to reflect that.
Edit: LOL, I just tried to change my birthdate to Feb 29 2001 to get my age up to 15 and of course 'You have entered an invalid birthdate.'!!
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Having been down the same route, you may be advised to get an NPPL anyway for the time being. The problem is that after a successful ablation the CAA will want you to wait another 6 months or so plus a battery of very expensive tests before they will lift the Class 2 suspension. I decided to switch to an LAPL instead which got me flying again. Only problem is you can't have an IMC rating (or whatever it is called now) on a LAPL.
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Great to hear you are airborne again. I have the list of tests that I would have to do to satisfy the CAA and as you say, it's long. It also has the ominous words 'at pilot's own expense'.
If I may pick your brains, having virtually not a clue what a LAPL holder is entitled to, what is the procedure to changing to a LAPL? I know that the IR(R) would be unavailable but aren't they thinking about some sort of IMC training for LAPL holders? What about the night rating, I believe you can still use it on a LAPL?
Do you just get a doctor's sign off for the LAPL and did you have any problem finding a doctor that was willing to do it after your ablation?
Can you fly in Europe on a LAPL? I have a hazy notion it's limited to France.
I've no doubt the CAA would charge me for changing to LAPL, can you remember roughly how much it is?
Many thanks in advance.
Edit: Just had a word with a CFI mate and he's answered the above.
Great to hear you are airborne again. I have the list of tests that I would have to do to satisfy the CAA and as you say, it's long. It also has the ominous words 'at pilot's own expense'.
If I may pick your brains, having virtually not a clue what a LAPL holder is entitled to, what is the procedure to changing to a LAPL? I know that the IR(R) would be unavailable but aren't they thinking about some sort of IMC training for LAPL holders? What about the night rating, I believe you can still use it on a LAPL?
Do you just get a doctor's sign off for the LAPL and did you have any problem finding a doctor that was willing to do it after your ablation?
Can you fly in Europe on a LAPL? I have a hazy notion it's limited to France.
I've no doubt the CAA would charge me for changing to LAPL, can you remember roughly how much it is?
Many thanks in advance.
Edit: Just had a word with a CFI mate and he's answered the above.
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If you choose to get a NPPL SSEA, you don't exactly downgrade your PPL to it, you would hold it in addition, so have two licences, therefore there would be no upgrade one the medical issues are sorted.
The NPPL would be issued on the basis of your existing and current PPL, just the administration fee and medical declaration to pay for.
You can also use the PIC hours gained using the NPPL to keep the SEP class rating on your PPL current, if that's getting anywhere near its expiry date.
The NPPL would be issued on the basis of your existing and current PPL, just the administration fee and medical declaration to pay for.
You can also use the PIC hours gained using the NPPL to keep the SEP class rating on your PPL current, if that's getting anywhere near its expiry date.
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"So I'm waiting for a procedure known as an ablation where they burn away the circuits that are causing the problem, although the heart specialist that is dealing with me now wants to fit a pacemaker so that he can get my resting heart rate up first..."
I can't comment on how this effects your being able to fly or the medical tests involved etc but, fwiw I think that the idea of a pacemaker sounds like a perfectly sound plan. If you already have a non-pathological bradycardia then adding AF to the mix might mean that occasionally you could experience very brief pauses in your conduction that can make you either light-headed or temporarily pass out (known as syncope); very rare, but a possibility.
A pacemaker would not necessarily be inserted to increase your heart rate (I am sure that you have been absolutely fine up until now with your naturally low heart rate) but it would be there to jump in and pick up the rate if it falls to a rate that is too low and to prevent those syncopal episodes; it is precautionary, particularly if they have you on beta blockers.
Ablation can be highly effective, but does not work in some cases, so I think that it could be a good fall back to have the pacemaker. These days, they are small, efficient and can be inserted very easily. Personally, I would have one in a heartbeat (pun intended).
I hope that all works out well for you and that you are flying again soon.
Best wishes
Andrew
"I can't comment on how this effects your being able to fly or the medical tests involved etc but, fwiw I think that the idea of a pacemaker sounds like a perfectly sound plan. If you already have a non-pathological bradycardia then adding AF to the mix might mean that occasionally you could experience very brief pauses in your conduction that can make you either light-headed or temporarily pass out (known as syncope); very rare, but a possibility.
A pacemaker would not necessarily be inserted to increase your heart rate (I am sure that you have been absolutely fine up until now with your naturally low heart rate) but it would be there to jump in and pick up the rate if it falls to a rate that is too low and to prevent those syncopal episodes; it is precautionary, particularly if they have you on beta blockers.
Ablation can be highly effective, but does not work in some cases, so I think that it could be a good fall back to have the pacemaker. These days, they are small, efficient and can be inserted very easily. Personally, I would have one in a heartbeat (pun intended).
I hope that all works out well for you and that you are flying again soon.
Best wishes
Andrew
