UK Pilot thinking of IMC

[Level Attitude]

I a PPL, am currently studying the ATPL theory to be able to become FI, I'd like to be able to instruct IR (or CB-IR/EIR), privately before the 10 mandatory ATO hours or inside an ATO

keenpilot,
From what you have posted (you are PPL, currently with no IR or FI Ratings) this would not be possible.

A requirement to Instruct for the IR is to have 200 Hours IFR if an FI, or 800 Hours IFR if not an FI.

I am unaware of any reduction in these requirements to teach for the CB IR or EIR (does anyone know differently?)

[keenpilot]

Thanks for the info on the hours, that's good info. I expressed myself wrong, I didn't mean to instruct for it right away but if I could instruct later on only with the CB-IR, not the old type IR (after getting the FI and necessary hours).

However I am not sure what you mean by the difference 200/800 hours, I would like to understand? If one are an FI, you need 200 hours to instruct, if no FI you can instruct if you have 800 hours? I thought one would have to be FI, am I wrong?

[Level Attitude]

However I am not sure what you mean by the difference 200/800 hours, I would like to understand? If one are an FI, you need 200 hours to instruct, if no FI you can instruct if you have 800 hours? I thought one would have to be FI, am I wrong?

To Instruct for an IR a Pilot would need either:
1) An IRI (Instrument Rating Instructor) Rating which requires 800 hours of IFR experience, completion of an IRI Course and passing an Assessment of Competence.
or
2) To add IRI Privileges to an existing FI Rating which requires 200 hours of IFR experience, completion of an IRI Course and passing an Assessment of Competence.

It sounds tempting then to do the CB-IR theory now to start flying IR asap as it will be a while before I can do the ATPL exams.

Just passing the theory does not allow you to fly IFR, you would also need to take the 40 Hour CB-IR course (I am assuming you have no prior IFR experience) and to pass the IR Skill Test.

I have a PPL, am currently studying the ATPL theory to be able to become FI

I am just wondering why you are even considering taking the CB-IR theory as you are already studying for the ATPL exams?

ATPL exams would be valid for 36 months for both CPL and IR issue, indefinitely for FI (PPL+) Privileges and indefinitely (provided a valid IR was held in the previous 7 years) for ATPL issue - all possibilities that you have mentioned in previous posts.

The CB-IR theory exams are only valid for IR or EIR issue.

To answer a previous question:
An IRI who had only taken the CB-IR theory exams is fully entitled to Instruct for any IR (regular, modular, CB or EIR).
An FI who had only taken the CB-IR theory exams could not Instruct for an IR at all. This is because, unless CPL (or ATPL) level knowledge has been demonstrated the FI is only allowed to Instruct for the LAPL.

[keenpilot]

I am just wondering why you are even considering taking the CB-IR theory as you are already studying for the ATPL exams?

As then I'll have my rating in a few months and can use it on a 20 hours total flight time round trip for my job in the spring instead of flying airlines, while I won't have the ATPL in more than one year yet due to my current work schedule. Yes, I would do some extra theory but I would get most of it back when studying the ATPL later. But I asked these questions to decide so your input is valuable, I am getting a lot of insight, at least I understand that the CB-IR _rating_ (not theory) would be okay for commercial flying if I get the CPL later.

[BillieBob]

There seems still to be a misunderstanding here. There is no such thing as a CB-IR rating, the CB-IR course leads to the issue of exactly the same qualification as the full IR course but gives credit for prior instrument flight instruction/experience. The amount of credit is determined by an ATO on the basis of a pre-entry assessment up to a maximum of 30hrs (SE) or 35hrs (ME).

[keenpilot]

Thank you, so everyone should do CB-IR as it is 10 hours less flying