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Old 26th Mar 2014, 20:57
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Can you buy a 4seater tourer and aerobatic aircraft?

Hi all,

i am looking to gain an understnading from experienced people on what is the best aircraft that gives you a blend of aerobatics and a good sporty tourer.
is there such a thing?
if i were to go for a decent tourer but primarily a gd aerobatic aircraft, what would be the recomendation?

if i were to want the ability to do general aerobatics and a decent tourer, trips to europe etc... which would one suggest?

any comeents would be helpful.

many thanks

Tris
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Old 26th Mar 2014, 21:22
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You'd struggle to find one that satisfactorily does both. Yak-18T is probably the best candidate.

You'd be better off buying the one you'd use the most and renting the other as required.
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Old 26th Mar 2014, 21:40
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cheers for reply Tay -

just checked it out, i saw it the other night as well when searching. Not sure there are many fairly new ones around that are low on flyingtime though?
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Old 26th Mar 2014, 23:04
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E33C Bonanza is a very capable tourer and good for sportsman level aero's. Not many made though.

Tilting more to the aero's side, the SF 260 is pretty cool machine. Only 3 seats, low useful load and a bit range limited as well as big bucks though .

Yak 18T has 4 seats but and is cheap, but slow, thirsty, very short range, and not certified.
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Old 26th Mar 2014, 23:11
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Robin DR400? I think it's stressed to +5, although don't quote me.
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Fuji Subaru FA-200. I agree with Tay Cough's suggestion though.
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Old 26th Mar 2014, 23:36
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Thanks all,

some great examples - are you all similar pilots or do you all do a lot of general ppl stuff?
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Old 26th Mar 2014, 23:46
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Two others are the Beech Musketeer Sport and Beagle Pup however I agree with Tay Cough's advice as well.
Friend has a Yak 18 but uses it for touring only as he has a Pitts plus Giles. Greedy.
Another friend has an aerobatic Bonanza, I don't agree about it being suitable for Sportsman level, much less in my opinion.
Some Fujis around but I wouldn't like to own one with the difficulty in sourcing airframe parts - my mechanic told me canopy rails was one item that can be critical - he bought a heap of fuselages.
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Old 27th Mar 2014, 00:27
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Another friend has an aerobatic Bonanza, I don't agree about it being suitable for Sportsman level, much less in my opinion.
You are right I was thinking of the Primary level maneuvers.

The Aerobatic variants of the Beechcraft Sport/Sundowner are even less capable IMO.
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Old 27th Mar 2014, 02:43
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Can you buy a 4seater tourer and aerobatic aircraft?

Ruschmeyer R-90 I think they're called. Fell in love with them when I saw one in Flyer magazine as a youngster. Think they only made 6. Great looking aircraft with a stick, full IFR panel, retractable gear etc. I don't know if any are still in existence.
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Old 27th Mar 2014, 06:09
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The Robin Dr 400 is an excellent tourer, especially the 180 hp. But definitely not aerobatic. I don't think you will find anything that does both things well, two very different missions.
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Old 27th Mar 2014, 06:41
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.... are you all similar pilots ....
no-one else like me in the world.

I currently have a Super Decathlon which works to pay its way and a Pitts S-2A. Been a long time since I felt the need to hire a four-seater. Especially since many four-seaters become two on a trip with luggage. The Super D is a good tourer but if I'm going anywhere apart from an aerobatic contest I buy a ticket on an airline.
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Old 27th Mar 2014, 08:59
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A friend rebuilt a Fuji a few years ago. He needed canopy rails which weren't available so he had new ones manufactured. It was cheaper to do a production run so he has a number of spares.
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Thanks fujii, I will pass the info on. The Fuji goes up in my ratings then. A nice aeroplane - Sportsman aerobatics too. A 180 hp C/S variant here had inverted oil systems. Lovely flick rolls.
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The only four-seater aerobatic aircraft I know of is the Fuji FA-200. But I think it's limited to 2 POB when flying aerobatics. And it's got a yoke instead of a stick.

All other combination tourer/basic aerobatics aircraft that I know of are two-seaters. For instance the Robin/Alpha R2160, Decathlon, General Avia F.22, Cessna 152 Aerobat (ahem - "Anemic" would be a more suitable term).

Further up the aerobatics scale, but down the touring scale, is for instance the Cap-10. And then you get the proper aerobatics aircraft, which are increasingly less suitable for leisure touring. Pitts, Extra-300 and so forth.
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Here you go. Apparently with a grand piano in the back.



.... and it is a true four-seater (including fuel and bags!!), despite the caption (the Yak-18A is a two seater).

Range is up to about 1000nm with the big fuel tanks (optional extra) and I suspect the one in the video has the 400hp engine rather than the standard 360hp. It should be aerobatic enough for you, although they do come at a price.

The Hungarian register is no longer the advantage it used to be but there are a handful on UK C of A (yes C of A, you read that correctly) so if you can get your hands on one of those, you'll be laughing.

Old Pilot Mag article HERE.

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Old 27th Mar 2014, 15:12
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Although quite rare, the Bölkow Bo 207 is the only other one I can think of.

Lovely wooden aeroplane, developed from the Klemm 107 but it would really need hangarage.
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Apparently you need a Bölkow 207 'T' model for it to be capable of aerobatics. Good post though, because I didn't think any of the 207s were aerobatic capable.

http://www.caa.co.uk/aandocs/22196/22196000000.pdf
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Old 27th Mar 2014, 19:50
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Piaggio P.149D



Piaggio P.149 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And it has a stick instead of a yoke.

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Old 27th Mar 2014, 19:51
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Saab Safir would be an excellent candidate if you can get one; the extant airworthy examples that I am familiar with are used for just that, plus aero lessons. The later versions seated four and there are a good few flying around where I am from.
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