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Many thanks for you response
I was wondering especially after today and even now the rain is just pouring and when I went there earlier today there were no planes flying but I did see instructors and others walking around their plane as if they were doing their external checks but in clacton the weather was similar and I saw a few planes takeoff so I didn't know what was happening
So thanks for your response I appreciate your help
Kind regards Adam
I was wondering especially after today and even now the rain is just pouring and when I went there earlier today there were no planes flying but I did see instructors and others walking around their plane as if they were doing their external checks but in clacton the weather was similar and I saw a few planes takeoff so I didn't know what was happening
So thanks for your response I appreciate your help
Kind regards Adam
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Perhaps, as in some schools, that's how they check for metal fatigue? They wander around the aircraft until they see water pouring through towards the ground from the underside of the wing which will in logical turn indicate to them where the holes are on the upper surface of the wing. In Africa we do this to check for the lethal Piperus Cesnexis, a really evil metal eating bug which is much favoured by the convicts in the chain gangs for it will easily chomp its merry way through the padlock system on ankle gyves.
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Light rain is always a tricky one. I have an IMC Rating or IR(R) as it is called now, and light rain is fine if as described earlier. If you can see through it, or you can go around it, then you have options. What I would personally consider is the weather around me and associated with it.
For example does the forecast show light rain and low visibility, or does it have a PROB TSRA and or CB's somewhere in the area. Does one of the nice websites / apps show lightning strikes or other serious activity.
The other thing is that landing in rain is harder as you have no windscreen wipers, and only a quick flick of the throttle might clear the water off your screen. It might require you look more out of the side of the window to judge your height to flare as the rain could distort the vision. And of course no one really wants to get soaked doing pre-checks or tying the plane down. So, you can fly in rain, but there are some additional things to think about.
For example does the forecast show light rain and low visibility, or does it have a PROB TSRA and or CB's somewhere in the area. Does one of the nice websites / apps show lightning strikes or other serious activity.
The other thing is that landing in rain is harder as you have no windscreen wipers, and only a quick flick of the throttle might clear the water off your screen. It might require you look more out of the side of the window to judge your height to flare as the rain could distort the vision. And of course no one really wants to get soaked doing pre-checks or tying the plane down. So, you can fly in rain, but there are some additional things to think about.
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Originally Posted by Scoobster
Minimum Cloud base - there isn't one.. it is depending on what exercise you are doing.. so for general handling i would say 1800 feet - stalling 3000 feet etc.
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Thanks, your advice has been helpful but hopefully I won't be in a situation where I will have to fly in rain and my instructor is very experienced. However one of you said that there are no wipers, and the windscreen would be blocked from the precipitation what would happen of you tried coming in a cross wind formation and maybe one side would slightly clear but if the rain was severe how would you find yourself to the runway since cessna's are not equipped with the capability of using a glide slope or localizer.
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If you were in a Cessna 150/152 Aerobat you'd fly the approach inverted. That's the same as being upside down. You'd then execute a snap roll at fifty foot above the ground flicking any residual rain drops from the windscreen and land. This is a little advanced technique and would usually only be demonstrated by the instructor just before you went solo for the first time, in case you got caught out by a squall line while doing your first flight on your own.
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Fifty feet is far too low to be performing snap rolls on final approach to disperse the residual rain drops.
May I suggest a quick loop before turning base. Much safer at 1000ft.
..........and DO NOT even attempt this manoeuvre unless you have purchased a
pair of 4 gold epaulette's. The aircraft will first need to detect that you are a true sky god.
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Ah, have we trained at Stapleford and never read the Flying Order Book? What do you mean by there isn't one?
I was given friendly advice to sign it and told to read it after.. In my defence I read the important parts of it..
Officially as per the "Book"... I believe it is
1200' - Circuits.
3000+ - Stalls etc
2000+ - Navigation
So I shall rephrase...
"The minimum height/altitude may be dependent upon the exercise being flown as long as it meets the Rules of the Air..
If it is General Handling [which I suspect the OP is on around Hanningfield] then I would suspect it will be above 1800 feet + for his purposes... or as the Instructor feels appropriate!
Correct me if I am wrong?
Still only a humble new PPL and learning!
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Yea 80% of the flight in and out of EGSG is flown at 1800ft however very rarely we fly at around 2500ft and when we enter the circuit it is 1200ft but how do you know if you are in the circuit do you follow the ground such as roads, landmarks etc
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Adam, I know this is all very exciting, you feel both proud and important, but do not get carried away with it and try "dressing up".
The most important thing to consider(and you should already know, if you have studied the forums enough-use the search function for newbie advice- DO NOT WEAR MAN-MADE TEXTILES.
Even a Poly-Cotton shirt can melt and stick to your skin.....read about high-vis jackets and you'll know that not only will they melt onto you, but they are a static-generator....AFAIK. there has never been a refuelling fire caused by one, but the possibility is there....that's why the aircraft is bonded to ground for refuelling....the fuel flowing and splashing can cause static.....no, I've never seen any grounding in petrol-stations, either, but I know road-vehicle tyres are conductive!
Pure cotton and real wool will both smoulder...they both absorb and dissipate sweat better than synthetics.
Jeans (Cotton) are fine but get stiff and heavy in a drizzly walk-out / round...cotton trousers are better.
NO! don't even consider a flying-suit! do not try to "look the part" you will just look a total pratt.
I think it was on this forum, Genghis the Engineer, or another respected Member, advised new students to buy an ordinary clipboard from a supermarket, the same with set-square, ruler,pens etc. you can get perfectly adequate gear at a massive saving to the stuff sold "specially for Pilots"...don't get suckered and conned. there are lots who consider flying is for the rich and spendthrift types, so they do their best to grab as muchof that cash as they are able.
You should be able to fly evenings when the days lengthen again, School finishes ~3.30? 15 minutes to Airfield(you said) book for 4.30!
it should be doable!.
The most important thing to consider(and you should already know, if you have studied the forums enough-use the search function for newbie advice- DO NOT WEAR MAN-MADE TEXTILES.
Even a Poly-Cotton shirt can melt and stick to your skin.....read about high-vis jackets and you'll know that not only will they melt onto you, but they are a static-generator....AFAIK. there has never been a refuelling fire caused by one, but the possibility is there....that's why the aircraft is bonded to ground for refuelling....the fuel flowing and splashing can cause static.....no, I've never seen any grounding in petrol-stations, either, but I know road-vehicle tyres are conductive!
Pure cotton and real wool will both smoulder...they both absorb and dissipate sweat better than synthetics.
Jeans (Cotton) are fine but get stiff and heavy in a drizzly walk-out / round...cotton trousers are better.
NO! don't even consider a flying-suit! do not try to "look the part" you will just look a total pratt.
I think it was on this forum, Genghis the Engineer, or another respected Member, advised new students to buy an ordinary clipboard from a supermarket, the same with set-square, ruler,pens etc. you can get perfectly adequate gear at a massive saving to the stuff sold "specially for Pilots"...don't get suckered and conned. there are lots who consider flying is for the rich and spendthrift types, so they do their best to grab as muchof that cash as they are able.
You should be able to fly evenings when the days lengthen again, School finishes ~3.30? 15 minutes to Airfield(you said) book for 4.30!
it should be doable!.
Ah, thank you Jetblu. Yes, I probably should do that. I do wonder why I bang my head on the strut so often. I suspect it is only when I am asked for the toll at the stone bridge that it gets serious.
The cub does not approve of the three bars. The radio was hissing and sputtering all the time I was flying. Would it be okay to turn it off, do you think? It would be a pity, now that we have finished painting the corner markers for the circuit. Now we can call at each letter, A to D, instead of those silly downwind and final calls.
The cub does not approve of the three bars. The radio was hissing and sputtering all the time I was flying. Would it be okay to turn it off, do you think? It would be a pity, now that we have finished painting the corner markers for the circuit. Now we can call at each letter, A to D, instead of those silly downwind and final calls.
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I really wish I could do that but unfortunately when I finish at 3.05 it takes me 15 minutes to get home and then if I left at that time, well I would be stuck in traffic for a very long time
That's why I usually fly in the mornings when sfc opens at 9.00, no traffic and also it's much nicer to fly in the morning especially for me because I wake up every week day at 7.00 am
so I am used to waking up early especially when I am going to fly. Also it's nice to see the sun rising and less turbulence so it's more easier to fly but I like it when there is turbulence just makes the flight mkre fun
Kind regards
Adam
That's why I usually fly in the mornings when sfc opens at 9.00, no traffic and also it's much nicer to fly in the morning especially for me because I wake up every week day at 7.00 am
so I am used to waking up early especially when I am going to fly. Also it's nice to see the sun rising and less turbulence so it's more easier to fly but I like it when there is turbulence just makes the flight mkre funKind regards
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Originally Posted by Adam amriche
Yea 80% of the flight in and out of EGSG is flown at 1800ft however very rarely we fly at around 2500ft and when we enter the circuit it is 1200ft
Originally Posted by Adam amriche
but how do you know if you are in the circuit do you follow the ground such as roads, landmarks etc
More seriously, yes, there are landmarks; your instructor will point them out for you. On 22 you climb tracking the runway, then at 300ft you track 200°, then at 800ft you turn towards the white water tower at Havering. When you have a patch of trees at your 9 o'clock, you turn downwind (and call downwind). You overfly the woods, M25 and the pylons. On your left you see the A113 road. When abeam a funny house half-black and half-white, you turn base. Where to turn final should be relatively obvious.
On 04 your turning points are: 1000ft on climbout, then "somewhere near but this side of" the M25/M11 junction, then abeam a roundabout south of Abridge and again the final turn as and when. Just don't clip the London Ambulance Service mast.
All that goes out of the window on a sunny Sunday when there are 7 aircraft in the circuit and 3 descending on deadside and everybody extends downwind or makes S-turns on final.
Fly safe,
/h88
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That's why, even for a casual circuit, it's a very good idea to have a Z flight plan filed and duck into EGMC for a refreshing pot of crab salad.
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Just don't clip the London Ambulance Service mast.
Also I must be sleeping because I haven't seen the "White Water Tower at Havering" - Might google earth it..
Incidently, anyone know the name of the Mast in Kent, just past Brands Hatch...?? 1305 AMSL.
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Scoobs...
I'm sure you'll see the tower next time you take off from 22L, it's not massive but it's very white. Quite far ahead as well.
Not sure if the mast in Kent has a name. I don't normally register seeing it in flight (probably as I escape from under the 2500+ bit of LTMA to fly higher) but when driving on the M20 towards the Continent, the red light on top I see every time.
I wonder how steep the instrument approaches would have been if Stapleford had them - with the mast on one side and the pylons on the other.
/h88
Not sure if the mast in Kent has a name. I don't normally register seeing it in flight (probably as I escape from under the 2500+ bit of LTMA to fly higher) but when driving on the M20 towards the Continent, the red light on top I see every time.
I wonder how steep the instrument approaches would have been if Stapleford had them - with the mast on one side and the pylons on the other.
/h88