Water ditching Caravan caught on a Go-Pro from inside
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Well if I was a pax with a shoulder-harness, I would at least have my forearm on the seat in front.
Well if I was a pax with a shoulder-harness, I would at least have my forearm on the seat in front.
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How do you brace with a shoulder harness...??
I, too, was surprised by the apparent lack of preparation in the cabin. For an overwater flight in a single-engine aircraft, everyone should have donned life vests before takeoff!
The ditching itself was well executed, though.
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Putting your arm on the seat back in front isn't going to make the slightest bit of difference. They arn't designed to take any load in that direction in fact most will just rotate forward.
And its not the done thing in any of the operations I have seen (but always refuse to get on) to put life jackets on before departure over water. It would cost a fortune. And within a week only 50% of them would still be working anyway.
And its not the done thing in any of the operations I have seen (but always refuse to get on) to put life jackets on before departure over water. It would cost a fortune. And within a week only 50% of them would still be working anyway.
mj,
I appreciate your point, but I would rather have my forehead hit a known quantity like my forearm, rather than whatever nasty bits of sharp hardware might be hiding in the seatback.
I am also surprised that given that this was a controlled ditching, that lifejackets were not donned prior to touchdown.
I appreciate your point, but I would rather have my forehead hit a known quantity like my forearm, rather than whatever nasty bits of sharp hardware might be hiding in the seatback.
I am also surprised that given that this was a controlled ditching, that lifejackets were not donned prior to touchdown.
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The whole trick is to stop your head moving in relation to anything. If it hits anything your dead or your neck will be broken.
Which is the reason why you meant to curl up and put your arms over the top of your head. Up right with your arms in front of you will just give your head 50cm to gain a relative difference in velocity between head and object your going to strike. Plus also your neck will flex and give whip lash damage.
So pull your seat belt tight and kiss your knees and pull your head down and keep your elbows tight in.
Which is the reason why you meant to curl up and put your arms over the top of your head. Up right with your arms in front of you will just give your head 50cm to gain a relative difference in velocity between head and object your going to strike. Plus also your neck will flex and give whip lash damage.
So pull your seat belt tight and kiss your knees and pull your head down and keep your elbows tight in.
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And its not the done thing in any of the operations I have seen (but always refuse to get on) to put life jackets on before departure over water.
I can only say I am very surprised that you say it is not done as the greatest danger when ditching is not surviving the ditching itself, but surviving in the water until SAR reaches you.
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if they are willing to put you in a single engine over water their focus isn't really on safety of the pax.
It will never happen in Europe under current rules. And everytime it happens else were in the world it reduces the chance of it ever happening in Europe what ever the pro lobby would like.
It will never happen in Europe under current rules. And everytime it happens else were in the world it reduces the chance of it ever happening in Europe what ever the pro lobby would like.
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If you are in warm shark infested water the first thing to do is stay still! Do not sit on the top flailing arms and legs around like some dying sea creature!
Sharks will see you as easy prey!
Hopefully you will have your warm warer survival kit which will include some surface goggles and a knife,
The goggle s so you can survey the deep for anything coming to take an interest in you as some sort of haut cuisine dinner!
Underwater there are three categories Predator, Prey or neither ! The thing you have to avoid emulating is prey so eith emulate the neither category or if the predator still sees you as prey become threatening and a predator too!
The knife is a vital bit of kit especially if you have a nice tartan bib and a fork too
This will give the. Message that you are far from prey and maybe even a predator with your saliverly glands eyeing the Shark as a nice fish and chips meal!
I have met quite a few underwater and trying to film them the problem is usually not scaring the things off I usually end up chasing the things around the sea bed looking like some weird creature waving an equally weird contraption at them
So if your flying a single warm seas remember the goggles and a nice bit of cold steel as they don't like it up em ! Unless it's a great white! Killer whale Oceanic white tip ( killed more people from sinking ships in the last war than any other species ) and a couple of others in which case pray
Pace
If you are in warm shark infested water the first thing to do is stay still! Do not sit on the top flailing arms and legs around like some dying sea creature!
Sharks will see you as easy prey!
Hopefully you will have your warm warer survival kit which will include some surface goggles and a knife,
The goggle s so you can survey the deep for anything coming to take an interest in you as some sort of haut cuisine dinner!
Underwater there are three categories Predator, Prey or neither ! The thing you have to avoid emulating is prey so eith emulate the neither category or if the predator still sees you as prey become threatening and a predator too!
The knife is a vital bit of kit especially if you have a nice tartan bib and a fork too
This will give the. Message that you are far from prey and maybe even a predator with your saliverly glands eyeing the Shark as a nice fish and chips meal!I have met quite a few underwater and trying to film them the problem is usually not scaring the things off I usually end up chasing the things around the sea bed looking like some weird creature waving an equally weird contraption at them
So if your flying a single warm seas remember the goggles and a nice bit of cold steel as they don't like it up em ! Unless it's a great white! Killer whale Oceanic white tip ( killed more people from sinking ships in the last war than any other species ) and a couple of others in which case pray
Pace
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A few years back I flew Kahului-Kalaupapa (the accident airport) and Kalaupapa-Honolulu on a Cessna Caravan with another operator out there.
We were put in to a hold on the way in to Honolulu, and sat there circling several miles out to sea at around 2000ft VFR for 15 minutes or so. Whilst staring down at the sea it did cross my mind what would happen if the engine quit, because none of us were prepared with life vests or any instructions on what to do in the case of ditching.
After the flight I chatted to the pilot about commercial SE ops over water, his reaction was that it was so unlikely that it shouldn't even cross your mind.
We were put in to a hold on the way in to Honolulu, and sat there circling several miles out to sea at around 2000ft VFR for 15 minutes or so. Whilst staring down at the sea it did cross my mind what would happen if the engine quit, because none of us were prepared with life vests or any instructions on what to do in the case of ditching.
After the flight I chatted to the pilot about commercial SE ops over water, his reaction was that it was so unlikely that it shouldn't even cross your mind.
