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I have now been given, from the Control Tower, the ATIS at the time I was flying. The ATIS is below:-
02/11/2013 12:34:52 Unofficial Weather EGCB 021230Z 20017G28KT 9999 VCSH SCT012 11/08 Q990 QFE988
02/11/2013 13:29:20 Unofficial Weather EGCB 021330Z 19015G25KT 9999 FEW025 12/09 Q989 QFE987
02/11/2013 13:49:32 Unofficial Weather EGCB 021350Z 20013G23KT 9999 FEW025 12/09 Q989 QFE987
02/11/2013 14:10:23 Unofficial Weather EGCB 021410Z 21022G32KT 9999 FEW015 FEW025 12/07 Q988 QFE986
"Spanner in the Werks" if you don't believe the above, you are quite welcome to contact the control tower.
I am now in the process of obtaining a trace of my route; the management at my airfield will be looking into this. I also will be seeking to obtain the METAR’S in the local area.
I can say hand on heart I was on the route I described earlier on this thread, a trace of the route will confirm that. I would just like to draw people’s attention to what “Spanner in the works “stated on this thread earlier, please see below:-
"hotcloud
Thank you for your Post.
I have studied your route and the altitudes flown.
Your route does indeed appear to comply with Rule 5, albeit with minimum margin for error.
Unfortunately the aircraft I saw was not on any part of the route you describe - so whilst I appreciate your lucid description of the flight, the aircraft I saw cannot have been you particularly as:
Quote:
I certainly was not forced down by low cloud or poor visibility, indeed I actually pointed out Fiddlers Ferry at Haydock race track.
That's the point, there was clear weather either side of these atrocious conditions I'm describing - both to the North and the South so I have no doubt that you complied with the Rules of the Air and provided valuable instruction to your student.
Would the pilot of the aircraft I saw in appalling conditions, flying at low level, please stand up!!!???"
Can “Spanner in the Werks” please state on this public forum, where exactly did he see the aircraft?
Again another post from “Spanner in the Werks” below:-
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PLEASE! Drop it.
I keep dropping it, but you all keep replying and picking the Thread up again!!!
I dropped it at Posts 69, 71, 79, 83, 94 and 97!!! [IMG]file:///C
Users\test\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image0 01.gif[/IMG]
If you're not careful the CAA will take notice and start interviewing the pilot, checking radar data - and even motorway cameras for low flying aircraft!
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the route is perfectly safe and doesn't break rule 5 at the altitudes flown
Yes that's the whole point.
Where on the route does hotcloud state that s/he flies South along the M6 where I saw the aircraft?
NOWHERE!!!
S/he wasn't on the b****y route!!!
My guess is that in the poor conditions and strong wind s/he drifted further North and then had to scud run South along the M6 to regain track at Gathurst.
From the evidence I've read there seems to be no other explanation?
So, please, no more Posts.”
It seems that “Spanner in the Werks” wishes to cease further posts having on a public forum, effectively calling me a liar without being prepared to obtain further evidence such as the ATIS, now already provided, METAR’s, in the process of obtaining, and a trace of the route, which is being passed to management at my airfield to pursue.
Note “Spanner in the Werks” stated “S/he wasn't on the b****y route!!!” I have an awful feeling once I have obtained the trace you will be proved wrong.
People who know me, realize that I am an easy going person, but I am not afraid to defend myself, I certainly have the strength of character to do that. I don’t hide behind an avatar, and I am certainly upfront.
“Spanner in the Werks” if you have the strength of character, please respond to the following questions:-
1. Do you still stick to the story that I was off course, last chance to change your story before I obtain the trace.
2. To obtain further evidence as to the altitudes flown, why don’t you take me up on my offer to meet with the CFI, myself and the student. As I have stated publicly on this forum, I shall not mention anything to the student before we meet. He will give an independent account without any prompting.
3. Are you still flying commercially?
I look forward to your response, please PM if you so wish, after all you provided me with that option.
02/11/2013 12:34:52 Unofficial Weather EGCB 021230Z 20017G28KT 9999 VCSH SCT012 11/08 Q990 QFE988
02/11/2013 13:29:20 Unofficial Weather EGCB 021330Z 19015G25KT 9999 FEW025 12/09 Q989 QFE987
02/11/2013 13:49:32 Unofficial Weather EGCB 021350Z 20013G23KT 9999 FEW025 12/09 Q989 QFE987
02/11/2013 14:10:23 Unofficial Weather EGCB 021410Z 21022G32KT 9999 FEW015 FEW025 12/07 Q988 QFE986
"Spanner in the Werks" if you don't believe the above, you are quite welcome to contact the control tower.
I am now in the process of obtaining a trace of my route; the management at my airfield will be looking into this. I also will be seeking to obtain the METAR’S in the local area.
I can say hand on heart I was on the route I described earlier on this thread, a trace of the route will confirm that. I would just like to draw people’s attention to what “Spanner in the works “stated on this thread earlier, please see below:-
"hotcloud
Thank you for your Post.
I have studied your route and the altitudes flown.
Your route does indeed appear to comply with Rule 5, albeit with minimum margin for error.
Unfortunately the aircraft I saw was not on any part of the route you describe - so whilst I appreciate your lucid description of the flight, the aircraft I saw cannot have been you particularly as:
Quote:
I certainly was not forced down by low cloud or poor visibility, indeed I actually pointed out Fiddlers Ferry at Haydock race track.
That's the point, there was clear weather either side of these atrocious conditions I'm describing - both to the North and the South so I have no doubt that you complied with the Rules of the Air and provided valuable instruction to your student.
Would the pilot of the aircraft I saw in appalling conditions, flying at low level, please stand up!!!???"
Can “Spanner in the Werks” please state on this public forum, where exactly did he see the aircraft?
Again another post from “Spanner in the Werks” below:-
“Quote:
PLEASE! Drop it.
I keep dropping it, but you all keep replying and picking the Thread up again!!!
I dropped it at Posts 69, 71, 79, 83, 94 and 97!!! [IMG]file:///C
Users\test\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image0 01.gif[/IMG]If you're not careful the CAA will take notice and start interviewing the pilot, checking radar data - and even motorway cameras for low flying aircraft!
Quote:
the route is perfectly safe and doesn't break rule 5 at the altitudes flown
Yes that's the whole point.
Where on the route does hotcloud state that s/he flies South along the M6 where I saw the aircraft?
NOWHERE!!!
S/he wasn't on the b****y route!!!
My guess is that in the poor conditions and strong wind s/he drifted further North and then had to scud run South along the M6 to regain track at Gathurst.
From the evidence I've read there seems to be no other explanation?
So, please, no more Posts.”
It seems that “Spanner in the Werks” wishes to cease further posts having on a public forum, effectively calling me a liar without being prepared to obtain further evidence such as the ATIS, now already provided, METAR’s, in the process of obtaining, and a trace of the route, which is being passed to management at my airfield to pursue.
Note “Spanner in the Werks” stated “S/he wasn't on the b****y route!!!” I have an awful feeling once I have obtained the trace you will be proved wrong.
People who know me, realize that I am an easy going person, but I am not afraid to defend myself, I certainly have the strength of character to do that. I don’t hide behind an avatar, and I am certainly upfront.
“Spanner in the Werks” if you have the strength of character, please respond to the following questions:-
1. Do you still stick to the story that I was off course, last chance to change your story before I obtain the trace.
2. To obtain further evidence as to the altitudes flown, why don’t you take me up on my offer to meet with the CFI, myself and the student. As I have stated publicly on this forum, I shall not mention anything to the student before we meet. He will give an independent account without any prompting.
3. Are you still flying commercially?
I look forward to your response, please PM if you so wish, after all you provided me with that option.
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Poor Spanner, it appears his uppance has come 
... What a horrible little man I bet you are, at least stand by your accusations & take hotcloud up on his offer of a face to face meeting, and put it to him face to face......
However I suspect you will hide on here behind frantic back peddling, pedantry to the nth degree & trying to brush it off as you can't be bothered, no point etc etc.
You started the thread trying to put someone to the sword, at least have the decency to die by it as well. You never know, if you held your hands up and admitted you had made a mistake in your judgement, you might even leave with a shred of credability left.
Looking forward to the traces
... What a horrible little man I bet you are, at least stand by your accusations & take hotcloud up on his offer of a face to face meeting, and put it to him face to face......However I suspect you will hide on here behind frantic back peddling, pedantry to the nth degree & trying to brush it off as you can't be bothered, no point etc etc.
You started the thread trying to put someone to the sword, at least have the decency to die by it as well. You never know, if you held your hands up and admitted you had made a mistake in your judgement, you might even leave with a shred of credability left.
Looking forward to the traces
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lights, camera....action!
An epic movie in the making indeed - this won't even need to be 'Rifftraxed'
Awaiting the next enthralling instalment...........have oodles of choc ice cream........
Awaiting the next enthralling instalment...........have oodles of choc ice cream........
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I am now in the process of obtaining a trace of my route; the management at my airfield will be looking into this. I also will be seeking to obtain the METAR’S in the local area.
I have made several statements on this Thread and I stick by all I have said.
In summary:
On 2 November whilst driving northbound on the M6 motorway, shortly after 1200Z south of the Charnock Richard services, I saw a C150 flying in a southerly direction adjacent to the motorway at a height above ground level estimated at the time of between 150 and 250 feet. The weather conditions at the time were poor, with high winds and low cloud in a heavy shower.
Concerned for the safety of the aircraft I stopped at the Charnock Richard services and contacted Liverpool ATC and asked if they had knowledge of an aircraft in trouble as I had witnessed G-AWPU flying at low level. ATC informed me that whilst they had no knowledge of an aircraft in distress they did have a 7000 squawk in the area of my reported sighting. Liverpool ATC informed me they would contact the departure airfield to ensure that the aircraft had returned safely.
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Great!
So then why do you come here on the 3rd November @ 16.40 and announce publicly that the aircraft was flying low and recklessly, when you first considered that the aircraft could have been in difficulty and not necessarily in contact with ATC?
Spanner, do one.
So then why do you come here on the 3rd November @ 16.40 and announce publicly that the aircraft was flying low and recklessly, when you first considered that the aircraft could have been in difficulty and not necessarily in contact with ATC?
Spanner, do one.
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Originally Posted by Jetblu
So then why do you come here on the 3rd November @ 16.40 and announce publicly that the aircraft was flying low and recklessly, when you first considered that the aircraft could have been in difficulty and not necessarily in contact with ATC?
Would the pilot of the (locally based) Cessna F150J who was flying South following the M6 motorway in Lancashire yesterday lunchtime please explain what pre-flight planning s/he carried out, and what particular attention was paid to threat and error management, that resulted in the aircraft having to navigate alongside the motorway and remain visual with the surface at an estimated height above the ground of between 150 to 250 feet in heavy rain?!
You were lucky my friend.
I hope you will take that as a salutary lesson, because if you consider that exhibition of flying acceptable you may not be around too much longer!
You were lucky my friend.
I hope you will take that as a salutary lesson, because if you consider that exhibition of flying acceptable you may not be around too much longer!
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will there be a director's cut coming out?
You have made your point quite clear and now causing ill feeling.
Avoid imitations
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I'm looking forward to the Christmas DVD of this, when all will be sweetness and light...
