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Hurrah!!!
Godwin's Law in action
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Oh shucks, EdBarrett beat me to it!
It was also the duty of the Blockleiter to spy on the population and report any anti-Nazi activities to the local Gestapo offic
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I remember having a discussion with a lecturer at university once, I think the subject was some aspect of building surveying, the particular topic was freehold land. We were taught (and this's as close as I can remember to his words) 'The freeholder of any land owns the land and 500ft of airspace above it, which is why aircraft aren't allowed below 500ft.'
I then repeated my recently memorised version of rule 5, particularly the part about person, vessel, vehicle or structure and pointed out that I had recently been taught that the 'within' wording meant I could fly within 10ft of the land if it had nothing but grass within 500ft slant of the aircraft. I was subsequently faced with a barrage of 'the CAA is wrong'.
Totally irrelevant to the thread but thought I'd share that little experience...
I then repeated my recently memorised version of rule 5, particularly the part about person, vessel, vehicle or structure and pointed out that I had recently been taught that the 'within' wording meant I could fly within 10ft of the land if it had nothing but grass within 500ft slant of the aircraft. I was subsequently faced with a barrage of 'the CAA is wrong'.
Totally irrelevant to the thread but thought I'd share that little experience...
Under most countries laws a landowner owns the earth down in a cone to its centre below his land (including, for example mineral rights), and owns the space above it in an expanding cone to the far edge of the universe.
HOWEVER, to ask every landowner's permission to commit aviation is clearly impractical, so between around 1920 and 1950 most countries passed laws permitting free passage of aeroplanes. Most countries also passed something akin to rule 5, which was designed to minimise nuisance or risk to people below. It's nothing to do with ownership.
Again, all the countries with enough clout to matter have vested the various earth orbits in the United Nations to prise apart and co-ordinate. However, technically if a satellite passes over your back garden, it's passing through your property - you just can't do anything about it.
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and owns the space above it in an expanding cone to the far edge of the universe.
Never thought UK law had such far reaching authority would take them a few million years to send PC Blog all that way to tell me off oh well the far reaching hands of the law
think if I could only get over this time thing I could have weekends away at one or other of my weekend away planets and all for the price of a grotty 1 acre field
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Aircraft registrations are INTENTIONALLY large enough to be read from distances further than the limits of Rule 5. Depending on the type of vehicle spanner was driving, the shape of most windscreens dictate that objects above vehicle roof level must be a considerable distance away, horizontally, before they can be seen from behind the drivers seat. This horizontal distance then introduces several "curve-balls" to anyone bold enough to believe they can accurately measure the height/altitude of the object being viewed. Some are mentioned above..........
The same thing could have happened here - you saw the plane, you knew the colour scheme and type and what for most people would have been a jumble of letters is, for you, as clear as day because your mind can recognise and unscramble the letters rather than being hieroglyphics at distance for the person unfamiliar with that aircraft leading to your assumption, I saw the registration hence the plane was low. Try it at a club, you'll find you can recognise the registration of aircraft known to you further away than aircraft visiting the base for the first time because, with familiar aircraft, your mind forms the smears into visible letters.....
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Not sure about England but in Scotland (which is probably relevant to Aberdeen Angus) mineral rights can belong to somebody who is not the landowner by being "reserved" when the land is sold. It may have happened a hundred years ago and the rights can be sold on which can make finding the owner difficult. This separate ownership can cause huge problems if they have been reserved without there also being obligations created to pay for damage caused by subsidence when they are worked.
That aside the principal of ownership extending from the centre of the earth outwards in a cone applies in Scotland as in England (The legal principal of "a coelo usque ad centrum" if anybody is interested).
Apologies for drifting even further from the thread topic.
That aside the principal of ownership extending from the centre of the earth outwards in a cone applies in Scotland as in England (The legal principal of "a coelo usque ad centrum" if anybody is interested).
Apologies for drifting even further from the thread topic.
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Jonzarno said:
Hey, Jonzarno, now that would make a hell of an opener for a book....... We've also got intrigue - was the plane G-AWPU? Has Spanner in the Werks got a professional pilot's licence? Will Maxred get his Popcorn, Pint and Malibu Chaser??? All this and more in today's gripping instalment of.....
The question is: would "they all lived happily ever after" be suitable as an ending?????
In the beginning the thread was without form and void. And darkness moved over the face of the thread............
And it hasn't got much better since...
And it hasn't got much better since...
MOTORWAY FLYING
The question is: would "they all lived happily ever after" be suitable as an ending?????
However, should anybody wish to extract shale gas from my back garden, I think I'd probably tell them to frack off.
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Hey, Spanner, you'll be pleased to know you've gained a certain notoriety which has gone beyond this forum and have become the star attraction on another site.
Keep it up, you still might yet receive that most coveted accolade, to become heir apparent to the Ginger One......
Keep it up, you still might yet receive that most coveted accolade, to become heir apparent to the Ginger One......
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Not sure about England but in Scotland (which is probably relevant to Aberdeen Angus) mineral rights can belong to somebody who is not the landowner by being "reserved" when the land is sold.
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I know it was a bit of thread drift, but...
The Government gets all the good bits:
ie The sky and the fuel! Plus the silver and gold to pay for it!
The other minerals are different!
Legislation & policy: mineral ownership | Planning | MineralsUK
and see:
Oil and gas
Ownership of oil and gas within the land area of Great Britain was vested in the Crown by the Petroleum (Production) Act 1934. The Continental Shelf Act 1964 applied the provisions of the 1934 Act to the UKCS outside territorial waters.
For landward exploration a licence is required, which grants exclusive rights to exploit for and develop oil and gas onshore within Great Britain. The rights granted by landward licences do not include any rights of access, and the licensees must also obtain any consent under current legislation, including planning permissions. The Department for Business, Innovation and Skills grants licences to explore for and exploit all oil and gas resources. Licensees wishing to enter or drill through coal seams for coalbed methane and coal mine gas must also seek the permission of the Coal Authority.
The Government gets all the good bits:
ie The sky and the fuel! Plus the silver and gold to pay for it!
The other minerals are different!
Legislation & policy: mineral ownership | Planning | MineralsUK
and see:
Oil and gas
Ownership of oil and gas within the land area of Great Britain was vested in the Crown by the Petroleum (Production) Act 1934. The Continental Shelf Act 1964 applied the provisions of the 1934 Act to the UKCS outside territorial waters.
For landward exploration a licence is required, which grants exclusive rights to exploit for and develop oil and gas onshore within Great Britain. The rights granted by landward licences do not include any rights of access, and the licensees must also obtain any consent under current legislation, including planning permissions. The Department for Business, Innovation and Skills grants licences to explore for and exploit all oil and gas resources. Licensees wishing to enter or drill through coal seams for coalbed methane and coal mine gas must also seek the permission of the Coal Authority.
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you'll be pleased to know you've gained a certain notoriety which has gone beyond this forum
ILAFFT, 'Spanner on flight safety,' or something similar?
Time for a career change ...