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Old 13th Nov 2013, 17:04
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Hurrah!!!

It was also the duty of the Blockleiter to spy on the population and report any anti-Nazi activities to the local Gestapo offic
Godwin's Law in action

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Oh shucks, EdBarrett beat me to it!

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Old 13th Nov 2013, 18:16
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Originally Posted by mr_rodge
I remember having a discussion with a lecturer at university once, I think the subject was some aspect of building surveying, the particular topic was freehold land. We were taught (and this's as close as I can remember to his words) 'The freeholder of any land owns the land and 500ft of airspace above it, which is why aircraft aren't allowed below 500ft.'

I then repeated my recently memorised version of rule 5, particularly the part about person, vessel, vehicle or structure and pointed out that I had recently been taught that the 'within' wording meant I could fly within 10ft of the land if it had nothing but grass within 500ft slant of the aircraft. I was subsequently faced with a barrage of 'the CAA is wrong'.

Totally irrelevant to the thread but thought I'd share that little experience...
Your lecturer was wrong on just about every count you'll be glad to know.

Under most countries laws a landowner owns the earth down in a cone to its centre below his land (including, for example mineral rights), and owns the space above it in an expanding cone to the far edge of the universe.

HOWEVER, to ask every landowner's permission to commit aviation is clearly impractical, so between around 1920 and 1950 most countries passed laws permitting free passage of aeroplanes. Most countries also passed something akin to rule 5, which was designed to minimise nuisance or risk to people below. It's nothing to do with ownership.

Again, all the countries with enough clout to matter have vested the various earth orbits in the United Nations to prise apart and co-ordinate. However, technically if a satellite passes over your back garden, it's passing through your property - you just can't do anything about it.

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Old 13th Nov 2013, 18:31
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You certainly don't own the mineral rights below your land in the uk.
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Old 13th Nov 2013, 19:02
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and owns the space above it in an expanding cone to the far edge of the universe.
Does that mean if I own a field I probably own a few thousand planets in the space above me ad infinitum ? If its an expanding cone that would be pretty big by the time it got to infinity.

Never thought UK law had such far reaching authority would take them a few million years to send PC Blog all that way to tell me off oh well the far reaching hands of the law

think if I could only get over this time thing I could have weekends away at one or other of my weekend away planets and all for the price of a grotty 1 acre field

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10 pager....
And tonight's star prize looks like going to Aberdeen Angus. The prize is a one hour VFR flight with............
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Old 13th Nov 2013, 19:28
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You certainly don't own the mineral rights below your land in the uk.
If you can find anything, it's yours.

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GTE, where would you stand on fracking then. I assume if you owned 40 acres, fancied your chances on a bit of shale gas, it would yours, no?
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Mineral rights are the property of the landowner.
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Originally Posted by Steve6443
Aircraft registrations are INTENTIONALLY large enough to be read from distances further than the limits of Rule 5. Depending on the type of vehicle spanner was driving, the shape of most windscreens dictate that objects above vehicle roof level must be a considerable distance away, horizontally, before they can be seen from behind the drivers seat. This horizontal distance then introduces several "curve-balls" to anyone bold enough to believe they can accurately measure the height/altitude of the object being viewed. Some are mentioned above..........
Also, we shouldn't forget that the brain has excellent cognitive powers. If you see a car a couple hundred metres away, you probably won't be able to read the registration plate. However if you see something on the car which is unique - for example, some stickers, or accessories which denote the car as a particular example known to you, your mind WILL be able to identify that car before you can read the registration plate.

The same thing could have happened here - you saw the plane, you knew the colour scheme and type and what for most people would have been a jumble of letters is, for you, as clear as day because your mind can recognise and unscramble the letters rather than being hieroglyphics at distance for the person unfamiliar with that aircraft leading to your assumption, I saw the registration hence the plane was low. Try it at a club, you'll find you can recognise the registration of aircraft known to you further away than aircraft visiting the base for the first time because, with familiar aircraft, your mind forms the smears into visible letters.....
This is how road signs are designed. Clever really
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Not sure about England but in Scotland (which is probably relevant to Aberdeen Angus) mineral rights can belong to somebody who is not the landowner by being "reserved" when the land is sold. It may have happened a hundred years ago and the rights can be sold on which can make finding the owner difficult. This separate ownership can cause huge problems if they have been reserved without there also being obligations created to pay for damage caused by subsidence when they are worked.

That aside the principal of ownership extending from the centre of the earth outwards in a cone applies in Scotland as in England (The legal principal of "a coelo usque ad centrum" if anybody is interested).


Apologies for drifting even further from the thread topic.
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Jonzarno said:
In the beginning the thread was without form and void. And darkness moved over the face of the thread............

And it hasn't got much better since...
Hey, Jonzarno, now that would make a hell of an opener for a book....... We've also got intrigue - was the plane G-AWPU? Has Spanner in the Werks got a professional pilot's licence? Will Maxred get his Popcorn, Pint and Malibu Chaser??? All this and more in today's gripping instalment of.....

MOTORWAY FLYING

The question is: would "they all lived happily ever after" be suitable as an ending?????
Hahahahahahaha
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Originally Posted by maxred
GTE, where would you stand on fracking then. I assume if you owned 40 acres, fancied your chances on a bit of shale gas, it would yours, no?
This is getting rather beyond my level of knowledge which tends to be limited to stuff that affects airspace.

However, should anybody wish to extract shale gas from my back garden, I think I'd probably tell them to frack off.

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Hey, Spanner, you'll be pleased to know you've gained a certain notoriety which has gone beyond this forum and have become the star attraction on another site.

Keep it up, you still might yet receive that most coveted accolade, to become heir apparent to the Ginger One......
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Old 14th Nov 2013, 00:00
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Not sure about England but in Scotland (which is probably relevant to Aberdeen Angus) mineral rights can belong to somebody who is not the landowner by being "reserved" when the land is sold.
Don't know if it's quite the same thing but I live next to an old gravel pit lake in England and on my deeds it says I can't dig for gravel on my property. Not that I'd want to...however it's the best draining land I've ever owned.
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I know it was a bit of thread drift, but...

The Government gets all the good bits:

ie The sky and the fuel! Plus the silver and gold to pay for it!

The other minerals are different!

Legislation & policy: mineral ownership | Planning | MineralsUK

and see:

Oil and gas

Ownership of oil and gas within the land area of Great Britain was vested in the Crown by the Petroleum (Production) Act 1934. The Continental Shelf Act 1964 applied the provisions of the 1934 Act to the UKCS outside territorial waters.

For landward exploration a licence is required, which grants exclusive rights to exploit for and develop oil and gas onshore within Great Britain. The rights granted by landward licences do not include any rights of access, and the licensees must also obtain any consent under current legislation, including planning permissions. The Department for Business, Innovation and Skills grants licences to explore for and exploit all oil and gas resources. Licensees wishing to enter or drill through coal seams for coalbed methane and coal mine gas must also seek the permission of the Coal Authority.
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Originally Posted by Steve6443
...and have become the star attraction on another site.
"star attraction"?
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Old 14th Nov 2013, 11:28
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you'll be pleased to know you've gained a certain notoriety which has gone beyond this forum
Maybe I'll be offered my own 'column'?

ILAFFT, 'Spanner on flight safety,' or something similar?

Time for a career change ...
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A 22' column with 11' rope.
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A 22' column with 11' rope.
oh dear, naughty, Cessnafly...you obviously haven't checked Henry Bruce's Table of Drops...or the Home Office revised version.
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Whoops a daisy.......ok..15' of rope, but you get the concept.
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