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Old 14th Jun 2019, 21:30
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Originally Posted by CHEASApilot View Post
If someone within EU tells you not possible to transfer the theory credit then throw him through the propeller ! [Joke]

Totally doable, if else EASA is useless. I did it personally in Hungary so i know what am talking about. However your ten hours i doubt they will let you forward it. The best game they can play with you is tell you yes and later on telling you this and that is not good enough and we need to work on it. I've been in the cave, i know the game. By the way i won a 100CHF bet from a guy i met in HU who is a Romanian living in Ireland, same story and i predicted the outcome.

Some schools can be upfront and tell you they want you to buy 10 hours solo with them if you already hold 10 hours of instruction from britain. But schools are ran by businessmen, and some of them are pitiless morrons, my advice to you would to restart the training in whole with them and finish it quicker you can.

And yeah, hungary was a bad option in my p.o.v, so stick to that side of the world where you're heading.

i hope my failures can be useful experiences to learn from for you.

Regards,

Jason.
Hi Jason;

Thanks for sharing your experiences. Great to hear, that at least my ground exams will be accepted, so I can dedicate my time to fly.
Tbh, I am not that worried about the hours I already completed and I wouldn't really mind buying "extra" solo hours in exchange. If possible, I would like to avoid some of those "effect of controls", or "straight and level" lessons though, but I'll take your advice and just start from fresh and get it done.

Sorry to hear about your mishaps in Hungary, may I ask what went wrong?

cheers
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 22:16
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Originally Posted by torvalds View Post
Hi Jason;

Thanks for sharing your experiences. Great to hear, that at least my ground exams will be accepted, so I can dedicate my time to fly.
Tbh, I am not that worried about the hours I already completed and I wouldn't really mind buying "extra" solo hours in exchange. If possible, I would like to avoid some of those "effect of controls", or "straight and level" lessons though, but I'll take your advice and just start from fresh and get it done.

Sorry to hear about your mishaps in Hungary, may I ask what went wrong?

cheers
Start the training freshly with them. Saying you want this and that makes of you the over-smart guy. Flight training is a totally different kind of education. You're a basically at the mercy of ATOs and changing of ATOs can be a delicate thing to deal with which everyone wants to avoid. So make sure you're giving the correct impression enough for you to get what you want.

When i landed in HU for the second time and getting to know what the country is really about i felt like being in an invaded by Russia country(technically this true).

Now understand that to train there you will need summer and in summer ATOs are full of turks who are ready to pay 600 EUR for a room per month, competition forces you to live in below the standard places unless you can really pay well.

You will be flying 1-2 hours daily and like me since you have no theory for the rest of the day you will be left wandering around with no absolute distractions; never under-estimate this. In a foreign country with long summer days and loneliness, emotional breakdowns can be really harsh.

Schools hate turks but like their money and let them run the same mistakes until they're overriding budget and start freaking out, i'm sure you know how to qualify them. When desperate i'm sure they won't care if you're Turk or EU they will simply smash your bank account.

I was basically in the best school of Hungary which is Fly...., the rest of them don't even consider. I was being trained by a guy there, P... G.. he has a very good english but he shouldn't be instructing, in fact he himself told me he was desperate for that airline job. He was swearing at me very often in the cockpit for not being able to do low passes on the second day of training. He was an absolute morron but useless to whine about now since i'm well set.

On the third day he did the same and in the midst of the flight i told him to land. Right after i reminded him i come from Western Europe, and when i give you my money i want a proper instruction in return. Not your frustration because on monday you failed your Wizzair interview.

I talked with a few previous stud and even his colleagues told me the business of the school. They give you a PPL for Ä7-8(k). They know people are always weary about cheap deals, so at the beginning of the year they train 2-3 guys and use them as ref to attract us on their cheap deals. By summer they're full that's why they want you to land on the very second day itself. For that price standard is even lower than a puppy mill, they don't want to lose another Ä7k because you're not picking up the skills quickly enough. Infact it was a guy on PPRuNe here who recomended them to me, after that experience sorry to be generalizing, but never again in Eastern Europe for flight training unless i want to go and get dental treatment for cheap there.

Look at their websites and the way they market their schools itself shows you how artificial the campaigns are. Some i think even use fake ref. You could go there for american rates in EU, but they're intelligent, they rent their fleet only to those having done their license with them. Few will rent out to you unless you lose time by doing an FI rating with them.

I heard when times are bad then they start welcoming the Turks happily again, these guys are their escape goats. Again shows you their way of doing business.

Now understand this is my experience which might differ for you with them, its an individual thing. But PPRuNe is here for we aviators to share our experience and i will make sure to point it out.

Aviation is expensive and it takes us all a lot of passion to hand over our hard earned money to ATOs, but i hate doing business with poor mentality people. 'They only know how to take but never gives anything back' - Robert Kyosaki.

Regards,

Jason.

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Old 15th Jun 2019, 10:53
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Originally Posted by CHEASApilot View Post
Start the training freshly with them. Saying you want this and that makes of you the over-smart guy. Flight training is a totally different kind of education. You're a basically at the mercy of ATOs and changing of ATOs can be a delicate thing to deal with which everyone wants to avoid. So make sure you're giving the correct impression enough for you to get what you want.

When i landed in HU for the second time and getting to know what the country is really about i felt like being in an invaded by Russia country(technically this true).

Now understand that to train there you will need summer and in summer ATOs are full of turks who are ready to pay 600 EUR for a room per month, competition forces you to live in below the standard places unless you can really pay well.

You will be flying 1-2 hours daily and like me since you have no theory for the rest of the day you will be left wandering around with no absolute distractions; never under-estimate this. In a foreign country with long summer days and loneliness, emotional breakdowns can be really harsh.

Schools hate turks but like their money and let them run the same mistakes until they're overriding budget and start freaking out, i'm sure you know how to qualify them. When desperate i'm sure they won't care if you're Turk or EU they will simply smash your bank account.

I was basically in the best school of Hungary which is Fly...., the rest of them don't even consider. I was being trained by a guy there, P... G.. he has a very good english but he shouldn't be instructing, in fact he himself told me he was desperate for that airline job. He was swearing at me very often in the cockpit for not being able to do low passes on the second day of training. He was an absolute morron but useless to whine about now since i'm well set.

On the third day he did the same and in the midst of the flight i told him to land. Right after i reminded him i come from Western Europe, and when i give you my money i want a proper instruction in return. Not your frustration because on monday you failed your Wizzair interview.

I talked with a few previous stud and even his colleagues told me the business of the school. They give you a PPL for Ä7-8(k). They know people are always weary about cheap deals, so at the beginning of the year they train 2-3 guys and use them as ref to attract us on their cheap deals. By summer they're full that's why they want you to land on the very second day itself. For that price standard is even lower than a puppy mill, they don't want to lose another Ä7k because you're not picking up the skills quickly enough. Infact it was a guy on PPRuNe here who recomended them to me, after that experience sorry to be generalizing, but never again in Eastern Europe for flight training unless i want to go and get dental treatment for cheap there.

Look at their websites and the way they market their schools itself shows you how artificial the campaigns are. Some i think even use fake ref. You could go there for american rates in EU, but they're intelligent, they rent their fleet only to those having done their license with them. Few will rent out to you unless you lose time by doing an FI rating with them.

I heard when times are bad then they start welcoming the Turks happily again, these guys are their escape goats. Again shows you their way of doing business.

Now understand this is my experience which might differ for you with them, its an individual thing. But PPRuNe is here for we aviators to share our experience and i will make sure to point it out.

Aviation is expensive and it takes us all a lot of passion to hand over our hard earned money to ATOs, but i hate doing business with poor mentality people. 'They only know how to take but never gives anything back' - Robert Kyosaki.

Regards,

Jason.
Hiya

Thanks again Jason for your advice, I believe you are absolutely spot on. I think it is the best to start it from scratch again in Spain. I do appreciate your help!

I didn't want to complete my training in E/EU, or anywhere else, because of I "came up with this idea" and tried to support my local airfield with my training fees. But the weather just didn't allow me to have a well planned training.

Even if, for the sake of argument, you've been simply unlucky in Hungary, I still believe, that there is no place in aviation for an instructor (or pilot), with that sort of attitude. I am not surprised, that he failed his interview with Wizzair. It seems Wizzair's implemented a very efficient filtering technique
I hope the school in Spain run by professionals and provide a quality training for my cash.

cheers
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 11:13
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Originally Posted by torvalds View Post
Hiya

Thanks again Jason for your advice, I believe you are absolutely spot on. I think it is the best to start it from scratch again in Spain. I do appreciate your help!

I didn't want to complete my training in E/EU, or anywhere else, because of I "came up with this idea" and tried to support my local airfield with my training fees. But the weather just didn't allow me to have a well planned training.

Even if, for the sake of argument, you've been simply unlucky in Hungary, I still believe, that there is no place in aviation for an instructor (or pilot), with that sort of attitude. I am not surprised, that he failed his interview with Wizzair. It seems Wizzair's implemented a very efficient filtering technique
I hope the school in Spain run by professionals and provide a quality training for my cash.

cheers

You can always support your local AD by H&F once you have your license. Wizzair tries to filter them all down, they go from zero to a fATPL in Europe for only Ä34k, once they have the jet hours most ditch you for western salaries where locals are paying Ä150k for the same license.

Europe's biggest enemy is Europe itself.

I won't promote Spain, but in this business can only wish you good luck.

Jason.
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 06:03
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Hi,

I tried to enter in contact with them in January this year, but I didn't have any answer from my mail, but I wasn't the only one, is it possible to enter in contact with them now?
I really want to do my training there but it's impossible to have all the informations I want without contact.
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 06:37
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Hi,

I tried to enter in contact with them in January this year, but I didn't have any answer from my mail, but I wasn't the only one, is it possible to enter in contact with them now?
I really want to do my training there but it's impossible to have all the informations I want without contact.
Hiya

Yep, they were kind and very responsive. Sent over patiently all the informations I asked for.
How did you try to contact them?
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 11:54
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Originally Posted by torvalds View Post
Hiya

Yep, they were kind and very responsive. Sent over patiently all the informations I asked for.
How did you try to contact them?
Thank you for this quick answer

I tried via their email, maybe itís my gmail that did something back and sent their answer in the spams because I got nothing, I tried in January, February and March. I did it again this morning, letís see whatís gonna happen now
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 18:16
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Originally Posted by Piniata View Post


Thank you for this quick answer

I tried via their email, maybe itís my gmail that did something back and sent their answer in the spams because I got nothing, I tried in January, February and March. I did it again this morning, letís see whatís gonna happen now


They can be fully booked up in advance for months and that might delay things...

Good luck and I am sure they'll get back to you in a day or two.
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 18:25
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Have you tried: [email protected]?
That was the email for the Admin person 4 or so years ago when I trained there.
I have the following contact numbers also:
office: +34 956 953741
mobile: +34 677 038059
fax: +34 956 185712
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 11:15
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Thank you guys for the answers. I tried again, but not with a Gmail adress this time, I imagine that this one was considered like a spam or ... I don't know

For those who were there, how bumpy is the sky in Jerez? Is it quiete and smooth?
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 13:56
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Usual thing in high temps - bumpy at lower altitudes and smoother at higher. Tend to spend a lot of time high as the sky is clear - unlike UK!
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 16:10
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Originally Posted by c.172 View Post
Usual thing in high temps - bumpy at lower altitudes and smoother at higher. Tend to spend a lot of time high as the sky is clear - unlike UK!
Thank you

It's good to know, I was used to fly in Belgium, where I never go higher than 2500 ft and it is bumpy all way around, I'm looking in Spain to have a smoother air because I was too quickly air sick here and it was hard to stay motivated when all my flight (around 15) were impossible to enjoy because I was all the time thinking about getting sick
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 17:08
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Does that drug have any side-effects which are undesirable for the Pilot Flying?
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