Please call before entering a MATZ...
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Please call before entering a MATZ...
I know you don't have to, but please do. It's only sensible.
This may or may not have anything to do with the PA28 who flew through the MATZ at Benson at 1338 local this afternoon at the same level as I was trying to join...
This may or may not have anything to do with the PA28 who flew through the MATZ at Benson at 1338 local this afternoon at the same level as I was trying to join...
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What, and quote the UK IAIP ?
Nah, after you Old Boy...
MATZs are Indian Territory...where Cherokees ambush...
In the airspace outside the Aerodrome Traffic Zone (ATZ), observation of MATZ procedures is not compulsory for civil pilots.
MATZs are Indian Territory...where Cherokees ambush...
All I can add is that in my limited experience of Benson, they seem to think their MATZ is a RMZ for civil aircraft as well as military, however it's always a good idea to call the 'controlling' authority to advise them of your intentions not to get 'clearance' through the MATZ.
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They ARE there at weekends but only answer 120.9 if there is operational helicopter flying in progress, the MATZ then being deemed to be active. If there is no reply after 3 calls on the 'official' MATZ transit frequency, the MATZ is deemed to be inactive however the ATZ will be active so steer clear.
If you really must call them at weekends, try tower on 127.150 or approach (non radar) on 130.250.
If you really must call them at weekends, try tower on 127.150 or approach (non radar) on 130.250.
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chevvron - my point being that GA pilots are encouraged to use the services of the military (LARS and MATZ penetrations), but their operating hours are a mystery and not published anwhere that we have easy access to. We therefore waste our time calling three times on published frequencies, only to give up and revert to plan B.
Happy to communicate, but why don't they just tell us in the AIP when we can expect an answer?
If the North Koreans are reading this, Sunday is a very good day to invade. The RAF are all down the pub.
Happy to communicate, but why don't they just tell us in the AIP when we can expect an answer?
If the North Koreans are reading this, Sunday is a very good day to invade. The RAF are all down the pub.
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Why can't you go into an ATZ at the centre of a MATZ?
I know everyone says stay out, and ATC will tell you the same, but isn't it just an ATZ? You need to know the traffic inside, and then you should be allowed in?
I know everyone says stay out, and ATC will tell you the same, but isn't it just an ATZ? You need to know the traffic inside, and then you should be allowed in?
'cos UK Legislation says you can't except when you have 2 - way contact and either have permission from ATC or sufficient traffic information from FIS or A/G to enable you to transit safely. Most military airfields have an ATZ active H24.
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Thanks 85mel - precisely. I am perfectly aware RT contact before entering a MATZ isn't required. But it is sensible - particularly in an area of high traffic density with a recent-ish fatal midair.
And before anyone says it yes, I know the Benson-based aircraft was at fault in that midair. That doesn't make it any less sensible to be in touch with the ATC unit.
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And before anyone says it yes, I know the Benson-based aircraft was at fault in that midair. That doesn't make it any less sensible to be in touch with the ATC unit.
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'cos UK Legislation says you can't except when you have 2 - way contact and either have permission from ATC or sufficient traffic information from FIS or A/G to enable you to transit safely. Most military airfields have an ATZ active H24.
How about to enable them to open at any time if there is a national emergency of some sort eg QRA at places like Coningsby and Leuchars.
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So how does the poor old Wallop MATZ 'controller' cope whilst the CAA's IN–2013/059 encourages pilots operating within 7NM of the lateral limits of the Solent CTA boundary to monitor Solent Radar frequency 120.225MHz and to select the Southampton/Bournemouth Frequency Monitoring Code...
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Here is yet another thread that shows complete mis-understanding about uncontrolled Class G airspace. 
As has been written many times already, if you want all traffic to be known apply for Class D. Or C or B if you can get it.
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As has been written many times already, if you want all traffic to be known apply for Class D. Or C or B if you can get it.
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So, would you enter a notified AIAA without contacting the nominated frequency/frequencies?
(Oh, and, no, it doesn't. I refer you to my original post. I am fully aware a MATZ is class G.)
(Oh, and, no, it doesn't. I refer you to my original post. I am fully aware a MATZ is class G.)
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