Fly Bpl - Is It The Beginning Of The End???
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All flights today and tomorrow at Flybpl departing Blackpool have been cancelled. There's a notice on the booking system not to book anymore slots at egnh until further notice
I personally enjoy his flying club. He's always been sound with me. Hope he manages to get it sorted soon
I personally enjoy his flying club. He's always been sound with me. Hope he manages to get it sorted soon
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It's cheap. £70/ month, £70 an hour inc fuel. The 3rd party insurance isn't ideal but you get what you pay for, apart from at the moment of course Wouldn't mind paying a few extra quid to get that insurance cover in place tbh
Think that Flybpl would have massive problems if they were or started to scrimp on the maintenance of their aircraft though. Safety should be no 1
Anyway I take it boy entrant you'll be fully insuring your aircraft?
Think that Flybpl would have massive problems if they were or started to scrimp on the maintenance of their aircraft though. Safety should be no 1
Anyway I take it boy entrant you'll be fully insuring your aircraft?
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If a private hire, not a business hire
If insurance (lack) not specifically drawn to attention and discussed....
Then I suspect that no-one will be paying out in a hurry and I would rate it 75/25 that a court would not enforce payment. Get a good lawyer and take advice.
Cash flow consequences then follow- as a minimum.
If insurance (lack) not specifically drawn to attention and discussed....
Then I suspect that no-one will be paying out in a hurry and I would rate it 75/25 that a court would not enforce payment. Get a good lawyer and take advice.
Cash flow consequences then follow- as a minimum.
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last time the airport impounded all the aircraft he operated, and the owners had to cough up for the fuel bill, it's now a week since anything flew and he hasn't found an Idiot with money, must be a worrying time for investors OK for him though he can go back to delivering milk
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How old and in what sort of condition are these supposed £35 grand aircraft?
Most 20-40 year old, worn out flying school type machines, like C172's and Pa28's are worth no more than £10k on a good day in todays market.
Most 20-40 year old, worn out flying school type machines, like C172's and Pa28's are worth no more than £10k on a good day in todays market.
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Reference to G-INFO on the CAA website states, in relation to G-ATRR:
'Insurance details in respect of aircraft G-ATRR
'EC Regulation 785/2004 on insurance requirements for air carriers and aircraft operators requires that all aircraft (subject to some exclusions) flying within the European Economic Area carry minimum levels of insurance in respect of third parties, passengers, baggage and cargo. In the UK, evidence of insurance is being requested as part of the registration process as one of the methods of ensuring compliance with the new regulation.
'The following is an estimate of the minimum insurance requirements based on the information held by the CAA. Please read the notes that follow the estimate.
'It is the operators or air carriers responsibility to ensure that the aircraft is insured in accordance with the requirements of EC Regulation 785/2004 at all times'.
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Minimum Cover ((Combined Single Limit) for Non-Commercial Operations) : GBP 1,770,300.
How do these requirements reconcile with the statement in the Flying Order Book that it is recommended that 'private Insurance for the Pilot to be taken out by the Pilot / Commander' and the alleged writ issued by RM to the pilot?
Separately, according to the CAA website there was a change of ownership on 25 April 2013 when RM purchased the aircraft from Blue Sky Investments of Douglas, IOM - the aircraft having been based on the IOM for many years.
Surely a fair valuation of the aeroplane could be determined from the purchase price paid just prior to the accident at Caernarfon when RM acquired the PA28?
'Insurance details in respect of aircraft G-ATRR
'EC Regulation 785/2004 on insurance requirements for air carriers and aircraft operators requires that all aircraft (subject to some exclusions) flying within the European Economic Area carry minimum levels of insurance in respect of third parties, passengers, baggage and cargo. In the UK, evidence of insurance is being requested as part of the registration process as one of the methods of ensuring compliance with the new regulation.
'The following is an estimate of the minimum insurance requirements based on the information held by the CAA. Please read the notes that follow the estimate.
'It is the operators or air carriers responsibility to ensure that the aircraft is insured in accordance with the requirements of EC Regulation 785/2004 at all times'.
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Minimum Cover ((Combined Single Limit) for Non-Commercial Operations) : GBP 1,770,300.
How do these requirements reconcile with the statement in the Flying Order Book that it is recommended that 'private Insurance for the Pilot to be taken out by the Pilot / Commander' and the alleged writ issued by RM to the pilot?
Separately, according to the CAA website there was a change of ownership on 25 April 2013 when RM purchased the aircraft from Blue Sky Investments of Douglas, IOM - the aircraft having been based on the IOM for many years.
Surely a fair valuation of the aeroplane could be determined from the purchase price paid just prior to the accident at Caernarfon when RM acquired the PA28?
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Just heard all aircraft associated with RM & Flybpl have been impounded by the airport even if they are privately owned!! As long as he has been using them they are included.
No mass fly out for this situation !!
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Just heard all aircraft associated with RM & Flybpl have been impounded by the airport even if they are privately owned!! As long as he has been using them they are included.
No mass fly out for this situation !!
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Just hold your horses a minute or two, guys and gals. Bear in mind that while you are chortling and laughing about the situation, there are people working at Fly Bpl who stand to lose their livelihoods, and for those paid by the flying hour, they are earning absolutely nothing at the moment. It may be a figure of fun for some of you, but for other people the situation is pretty bleak.
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I have heard some bull **** in my time, every one of his instructors has other work (full time Milk round,air traffic controler IT civil servant)they are all part timers 3 of them ended up with him because they were given the push from ANT another from westair and one even got the sack from Flight Academy
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I'll always be grateful to RM for providing me with the opportunity to build hours at a very reasonable rate to enable me to complete my ME Instructor Rating and to renew my ME IR during the course of the past year.
I simply could not have afforded the cost of 20+ hours of multi-engine time had it not been for the 'no equity' scheme and G-FBPL.
I don't know the facts associated with the current events as I haven't flown there recently, however best wishes to the staff and club members going forward.
AJM
I simply could not have afforded the cost of 20+ hours of multi-engine time had it not been for the 'no equity' scheme and G-FBPL.
I don't know the facts associated with the current events as I haven't flown there recently, however best wishes to the staff and club members going forward.
AJM
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Gm left Flybpl at least 5 weeks ago to set up his own business or at least be the manager at hangar 8 Blackpool.
Got to say that if rm is shutting up shop he's very calm about it. I think he may have a rescue plan chaps, might be wrong. Time will tell......
Got to say that if rm is shutting up shop he's very calm about it. I think he may have a rescue plan chaps, might be wrong. Time will tell......