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Fly Bpl - Is It The Beginning Of The End???

Old 15th Mar 2019, 15:46
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Originally Posted by QSY1215
Many will be delighted at the news and no doubt can't wait till the 15th March (sentence date). RM like us all has his faults but having known him and his ways for close on 21 years he is an down to earth decent enough chap-unlike most of the back stabbers on here who can't wait to hit the keyboard. He gave many myself included their early steps into aviation and for that if nothing else I for one will always be grateful.
Any news from court?
For today is judgement day ?
Be lucky
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 16:00
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The CAA really need to get their act together and do their job of protecting the public from these cowboys.

The Barton incident could have easily ended in a major tragedy if that PA28 had crashed on the nearby motorway.

Elsewhere there is the case of the Sala crash and lots of potential for similar incidents with Wingly etc.

Why would anyone want to get an AOC and employ properly trained commercial pilots only to see these unlicensed flyboys
undercut them?



Totally agree, lets hope the CAA stop these cowboys!
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 16:26
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Sentenced today for 3 1/2 years
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 16:59
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https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/pilot-jailed-crash-landing-risking-15981019
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 14:08
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Having read the Manchester Evening News article he deserved longer. I do wonder what is happening to the pilots of the other 4 flights he arranged, or was he the pilot on them all.

What at an utter Cnut.

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Old 17th Mar 2019, 07:29
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Originally Posted by Sir Niall Dementia
Having read the Manchester Evening News article he deserved longer. I do wonder what is happening to the pilots of the other 4 flights he arranged, or was he the pilot on them all.

What at an utter Cnut.

SND
Thing is look how far things had to go before it got to this? If you then look only as far as the March AAIB bulletin you'll see someone flying once a month for 15 years in a quasi commercial role without the appropriate paperwork. Add into the mix the recent footballer accident and just how hard is are we looking to stop this stuff? Aviation is a small world and usually rumour spreads like wild fire.... Not everyone can see / here nothing.
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Will I be the sole dissenting voice, if I say that I find the sentence here to be excessive?

I came across RM in the early noughties at BPL but have had no contact with him since. As others have said, he also struck me as a generally good bloke.

Sure, he has broken the law, it has had consequences, and he thus deserves to be punished. But 3.5 years? That is more than some people get for serious assaults, where the harm to the victim is intentional and not merely negligent (or even wreckless).

Also there is part of this story that doesn't add up. He took these pax on his own aircraft, the performance of which he would have known very well. He was a v experienced pilot. This was a doomed flight from the outset. These are not actions motivated by greed - rather, desperation. I can only suppose he was in great financial distress.

Long and short is, I hope RM appeals his sentence (not conviction), and is successful in so doing. The punishment should fit the crime - and here, it does not.
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Considering the wreckage, an appropriately ironic spelling of reckless there!
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Ha ha thanks FBM... post was post-several fine German beers
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@KeyPilot: thank you for playing "the devil's advocate" - it is always good to consider both sides of a medal. I will go along with you up to a certain point. Yes this person must have been desperate for cash, and yes he might be expected to know what he was doing in his usual plane. And indeed there was no proven intention to harm, "gross neglicence" would be the overall term for me. Still, for a person with his experience and his reputation, he really ought to have known better. Even here we could see how several people took their example from him. The judgement, as I read it, is basically meant to end his flying career for once and for good, and that seems appropriate. And, if UK is still somewhat similar to the rest of the world, he'll be released long before 3,5 years; jails are too expensive to keep up full time, these days,

As for the beer: I dare you to fly across to Belgium and try the really good stuff!
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'What a crock of sh*t'... the lying pilot who narrowly missed the M62 when he crashed at Barton Aerodrome and STILL thinks he's a hero
Prosecutor Henry Blackshaw told the court that police investigations have subsequently revealed information that should have been disclosed to the insurers, and would likely have increased the price of the premium or meant he would have been refused insurance altogether.
  • In September 2016 Murgatroyd had an insurance policy cancelled, because he failed to keep up with payments.
  • In May 2013, an aircraft operated and insured by Murgatroyd was hired out to a pilot and it crashed at Caernarfon in Wales, killing one and seriously injuring 2 others.
  • Following that incident, in June 2014 Murgatroyd was convicted of flying an aircraft without a valid certificate of airworthiness, and was fined £300.
  • In October 2011, another aircraft operated and insured by Murgatroyd was hired to a pilot, and it crashed in Switzerland killing both occupants.
  • In February 2007, another aircraft operated by Murgatroyd crashed into the sea at Blackpool, killing the two occupants.
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To summarise, Murgatroyd was back in Manchester Crown Court on Friday (4 Oct 19), where he pleaded guilty to an offence of fraud, of making a false declaration to obtain insurance, and was sentenced to a further (consecutive) term of 22 weeks.
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Originally Posted by LookingForAJob
Two thoughts..... good decision by Judge Leeming, and surely Murgatroyd's abode should have started with HMP.
Knowing Poulton I would personaly far rather have HMP as an address
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"ill I be the sole dissenting voice, if I say that I find the sentence here to be excessive?

I came across RM in the early noughties at BPL but have had no contact with him since. As others have said, he also struck me as a generally good bloke.

Sure, he has broken the law, it has had consequences, and he thus deserves to be punished. But 3.5 years? That is more than some people get for serious assaults, where the harm to the victim is intentional and not merely negligent (or even wreckless).


Also there is part of this story that doesn't add up. He took these pax on his own aircraft, the performance of which he would have known very well. He was a v experienced pilot. This was a doomed flight from the outset. These are not actions motivated by greed - rather, desperation. I can only suppose he was in great financial distress.

Long and short is, I hope RM appeals his sentence (not conviction), and is successful in so doing. The punishment should fit the crime - and here, it does not."
Perhaps a review of your post would be in order given the updated developments since you posted it?


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