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Old 25th Jul 2013, 15:27
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The one critical fact that the 'security industry' has never been able to answer is how employing some of the lowest intelligence and often criminally inclined people is genuinely going to improve 'security'.

The vast majority of it is to simply be seen to be doing something, the value of that something is generally highly questionable. Having worked in a risk management company I was appalled at the 'security advice' we received from our security colleagues. Anyone who can spell IQ can usually run rings around these people - it is cruel but very much like telling someone to pee in the corner of a barrel.....

But it is an industry that earns a lot of money and councils and bodies of that ilk - HIAL, BAA etc just love the whole 'jobsworth' mentality. If our wonderful 'govermint' really wanted to cut out waste it could all be removed in an instant with the instruction - if the guy next/nearest to you does something you do not like the look of - shout it out and if necessary clobber him/her. Goodbye a whole industry!
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Old 25th Jul 2013, 16:34
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But it is an industry that earns a lot of money and councils and bodies of that ilk - HIAL, BAA etc just love the whole 'jobsworth' mentality. If our wonderful 'govermint' really wanted to cut out waste it could all be removed in an instant with the instruction - if the guy next/nearest to you does something you do not like the look of - shout it out and if necessary clobber him/her. Goodbye a whole industry!
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Old 25th Jul 2013, 20:16
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With Part-FCL your licence isn't valid unless you have photo-id
Government issued photo-id?
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Lots of people use AOPA Aircrew cards because they look all official and say you are a pilot and everything.

The photo on my aircrew card looks like me only because I told AOPA that it was in fact me.
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Government issued photo-id?
The rules don't say what sort. I've a security pass to get through the Prestwick security gates with my picture on it. I'm sure that'll do. I've an honorary life time membership card to St Andrews Student's Union. That'll probably do too... but noone knows, and its rarely checked.
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Old 26th Jul 2013, 05:55
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To get us back on topic, anyone know the 'operational issues' which caused the cancellation?

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Old 26th Jul 2013, 07:21
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Read post #14.
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Old 26th Jul 2013, 08:05
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I did d.o. but it doesn't really tell me what the 'operational issue' actually is?
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Old 26th Jul 2013, 09:03
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I am told that the decision about the Islay airshow was initiated by one individual at Islay (not the manager) and backed by the management at Inverness.
Not sure it will make public domain yet..
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Without going into too much detail, lack of willing staff.

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Old 26th Jul 2013, 09:48
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Would hazard a guess that we want triple time, six days in lieu, oh and free transport to and from work.
My post no.7.

They may have been more, 'willing', had this been on offer. With these events, I assume there is a sense of doing it for the love of aviation, and dont forget that a lot of airshows, open days, are at fields which are owner operated, not operated by a larger corporate entity, excluding the RAF, but they dont count because I assume the staff would just be told to do it

Shame really because it was a nice event, and a lot of the local community attended, generating interest in aviation.
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Old 27th Jul 2013, 09:52
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If you land using an out of hours permit how do you get out and back in to the airport? Are the security dudes there 24 hours?
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Old 28th Jul 2013, 22:31
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The one critical fact that the 'security industry' has never been able to answer is how employing some of the lowest intelligence and often criminally inclined people is genuinely going to improve 'security'.
If they read this sort of stuff from GA pilots, no wonder they're unwilling to work extra hours for GA. Not my opinion of the people I meet. They didn't create the Security procedures - that came from above. (From the CAA? Some ministry even higher up?)
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Old 29th Jul 2013, 10:11
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[quote][f they read this sort of stuff from GA pilots, no wonder they're unwilling to work extra hours for GA. Not my opinion of the people I meet. They didn't create the Security procedures - that came from above/QUOTE]

And it's the ones above that are the self-serving gravy-train operators.
The minimum-wage Droids just execute their programming.....no initiative, no interpretation, no exceptions, no intelligence required or allowed.
This massive quasi-industry feeds a goodly number of fat-cats and keeps a large number of otherwise-unemployable people off the dole-queue.
therefore, the Gummint wins both ways...reduces unemployment, can be seen to "do" something.

If they read this sort of stuff from GA pilots
stretching it a bit there, aren't you?
making the assumption that their reading-skills are up to snuff. then a leap of faith that they'd have a clue as to where GA Pilots are likely to post

*stands by to be run over by the outrage-bus full of "security" management, P.O'd because someone has spoken out against their cosy cartel.*
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Old 29th Jul 2013, 11:17
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You climb over the gate, IIRC.
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Old 29th Jul 2013, 15:24
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The minimum-wage Droids just execute their programming.....no initiative, no interpretation, no exceptions, no intelligence required or allowed
Christ CS, and I thought I sat on the RHS of life

You are of course entirely correct, and the subtlety of it knows no bounds. The rise of the Lo Co, with its hoards, falls right into the lap of this cartel, security at airports like visiting your relatives in HM Prison. Actually HM Prison staff are infinately more pleasant than the Airport goons.

Keep the mass afraid, by the bi monthly terror scare, keep up the 'less than 100mls', and strangely, you can buy what you want airside, in any amount.
Keep stripping off, and it all goes around and around. Great work if you can get it.

The one that actually drives me mad are these silly women, giggling away, and voluntarily taking off their bloody shoes

Anyway, we aint going to change it, but we can stand for our rights and freedom at GA airfields....

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