FAA CPL 300 nm cross-country
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If you are intending to return to the point of departure, then the flight will most likely be at 500nm long. Its easy to do in a day. I did one in November and managed Southend, Plymouth, Lands End, Henstrige, Southend easily.
It's very easy to do in one day. And if you take two days, you will have the added expense of accommodation somewhere.
300 nautical miles is not a great distance. By my calculation it's about 555km, which is not even a particularly great distance to drive a car in one day.
No offence, but it does seem to me that most people in the British isles have a very limited view of the world.
300 nautical miles is not a great distance. By my calculation it's about 555km, which is not even a particularly great distance to drive a car in one day.
No offence, but it does seem to me that most people in the British isles have a very limited view of the world.
If you do it in a day, it is at least 500NM as you have to get 250 NM away, and then come back. Actually true if you spread it out over two days.
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> most people in the British isles have a very limited view of the world.
Not if you define british isles as 'islands where the british queen is on the banknotes'
I think you'll find we are quite capable of getting around a bit under our own steam.
Not if you define british isles as 'islands where the british queen is on the banknotes'
I think you'll find we are quite capable of getting around a bit under our own steam.
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Indeed.
I'd say that it was weather and gas prices that make a 300nm x-c a PITA in the UK rather than any limited view of the world or an inability to fly all day. I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that 300nm is an easy days flight, but actually, it is indeed 500-600nm if done in an A to B to A or at least 400nm in ABCA fashion and a factor here is the large number of fields that close relatively early, also because of the cost, it is not unknown for people to wait until they actually have a reason to go somewhere, which may then entail a night stop for their own reasons. Until JAR/EASA it was a CPL requirement to do the 300nm in one day for the record.
I'd say that it was weather and gas prices that make a 300nm x-c a PITA in the UK rather than any limited view of the world or an inability to fly all day. I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that 300nm is an easy days flight, but actually, it is indeed 500-600nm if done in an A to B to A or at least 400nm in ABCA fashion and a factor here is the large number of fields that close relatively early, also because of the cost, it is not unknown for people to wait until they actually have a reason to go somewhere, which may then entail a night stop for their own reasons. Until JAR/EASA it was a CPL requirement to do the 300nm in one day for the record.
On my first x-c that almost counted, I flew up to Maine for a wedding. Got stuck a few days due to a hurricane. Checked with the DPE, he had no issue with the multi day layover, however I had picked up my father in Portland and flew up to Bar Harbor with him as a passenger. That nixed the flight for the commercial x-c and there was nothing else I could mine from my logbook that came close to the requirement. So I did it on one day and visited somebody far away.
If you have a far away overnight destination you can fly solo to, staying overnight makes it more like doing something useful and it is more pleasurable to break it up. The commercial is not about sheer pilot endurance, that is what glider x-c is for.
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If you have a far away overnight destination you can fly solo to, staying overnight makes it more like doing something useful and it is more pleasurable to break it up. The commercial is not about sheer pilot endurance, that is what glider x-c is for.
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Until JAR/EASA it was a CPL requirement to do the 300nm in one day for the record
I would find it very hard to believe because
- how would you define a "day"
- what if you get delayed (refuelling etc) and the clock goes past midnight?
- what if the clock goes past the official night start (whose definition is not singular anyway)
This is why the FAA doesn't define it and I have never heard of anybody else doing so.
Sure enough the FTOs probably do define it thus but they can do what they like, and they want their shagged old Duchess back the next morning for the next punter to sweat in for his £1000 170A "flight test"
There is no issue with knocking off a 300nm flight just to get the logbook entry but it is a bit of a waste of a few hundred quid to not get something out of it.
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Peter, Im pretty sure from memory that it did actually but I might be wrong, It would be in the old CAP doc for uk bcpl and cpl that I expect I still have somewhere. A quick search shows reference to the subject on here but only as hearsay CPL Cross-Country Qualifying Flight [Archive] - PPRuNe Forums and not the clear reference I remember. Will see if I still have it
