Plane crash Caernarfon
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I would not have been happy learning in a 50+ year old aircraft which had already logged 16894 flying hours as of 31/12/2011, I would prefer to fly something a little less ancient and pay more...
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Given that you "hate when people speculate as to the cause of a crash before any investigation has even begun", it seems strange that you introduced the age of the aircraft into the discussion.
Your choice.
The aircraft in which I did my first solo was only eight months younger than me. We were both about 20 at the time.
It is still in active service and I would be very happy to fly it again if I had the opportunity.
We are both 62 this year.
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Given that you "hate when people speculate as to the cause of a crash before any investigation has even begun", it seems strange that you introduced the age of the aircraft into the discussion.
I would not have been happy learning in a 50+ year old aircraft .......... I would prefer to fly something a little less ancient and pay more...
The aircraft in which I did my first solo was only eight months younger than me. We were both about 20 at the time.
It is still in active service and I would be very happy to fly it again if I had the opportunity.
We are both 62 this year.
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I've flown many 40 year old PA28s and have had a lot of fun in doing so. Even at a ripe old age, a PA28 can and do still fly like new. I'd also be very surprised if age and / or maintenance had anything to do with this.
If 26 is where the incident happened....
Anyone that has landed an aircraft at Caernarfon will know that when you've got a runway like 26, shortish, displaced threshold, trees, telephone lines, caravan site and the odd seagull that even in the best meteorological conditions it wouldn't take much to distract attention away from a glance or two at airspeed indicator or similar. Being low and slow there is very dangerous indeed. Even the most experienced and seasoned Caernarfon regular needs full concentration on this approach.
Stay sharp guys.
My thoughts go out to all involved :-(
If 26 is where the incident happened....
Anyone that has landed an aircraft at Caernarfon will know that when you've got a runway like 26, shortish, displaced threshold, trees, telephone lines, caravan site and the odd seagull that even in the best meteorological conditions it wouldn't take much to distract attention away from a glance or two at airspeed indicator or similar. Being low and slow there is very dangerous indeed. Even the most experienced and seasoned Caernarfon regular needs full concentration on this approach.
Stay sharp guys.
My thoughts go out to all involved :-(
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One man dies, two badly injured in Caernarfon airport plane crash - North Wales Weekly News
This report mentions the possibility of the aircraft clipping some trees on final. At least one local pilot who was there thinks this a distinct possibility, and it would explain the tragic outcome.
I await the AAIB report with interest.
Then, with respect, you don't know very much about aeroplanes and aviation.
This report mentions the possibility of the aircraft clipping some trees on final. At least one local pilot who was there thinks this a distinct possibility, and it would explain the tragic outcome.
I await the AAIB report with interest.
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As mentioned by others, my condolences to the victims,
Never flown in there but based on what i can see on google earth it looks like a fine airfield with plenty length for spam cans (2400 ft from the displaced threshold) by about 60 feet wide, the trees on final do not appear that large and are about 700 feet from the threshold, again i am looking at google earth and that the info/views may be dated.
Anyone that has landed an aircraft at Caernarfon will know that when you've got a runway like 26, shortish, displaced threshold, trees, telephone lines, caravan site and the odd seagull that even in the best meteorological conditions it wouldn't take much to distract attention away from a glance or two at airspeed indicator or similar. Being low and slow there is very dangerous indeed. Even the most experienced and seasoned Caernarfon regular needs full concentration on this approach.
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it looks like a fine airfield with plenty length for spam cans (2400 ft from the displaced threshold) by about 60 feet wide, the trees on final do not appear that large and are about 700 feet from the threshold
I was there three weeks ago and I don't remember thinking 'must watch for them trees'. I'm not saying there are no trees, but I don't recall any surprising me, as such.
But perhaps the displaced threshold did its job and kept me well above ?
I had a Go-pro camera running in time-lapse mode at the time so I'll have a look at the pictures when I get up later. But I don't recall any surprises.
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Nice airfield, approach to that runway is a little unusual but not massively challenging. The new wind turbines don't help any, but shouldn't affect that runway. At least the air ambo is based 100yrd away.medical help on scene if they were in.
26/08 is fine, 20/02 is the one with the wind turbines and is unlicensed.
Caernarfon Airport Runway 02/20 Conditions Of Use
I landed on 26 on new years day in very windy conditions and had no problems. Bit of windy shear / bumpiness over the caravans on final but nothing to write home about.
Sympathies to those involved. There for the grace of God go I...
Caernarfon Airport Runway 02/20 Conditions Of Use
I landed on 26 on new years day in very windy conditions and had no problems. Bit of windy shear / bumpiness over the caravans on final but nothing to write home about.
Sympathies to those involved. There for the grace of God go I...
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Never flown in there but based on what i can see on google earth it looks like a fine airfield with plenty length for spam cans (2400 ft from the displaced threshold) by about 60 feet wide, the trees on final do not appear that large and are about 700 feet from the threshold, again i am looking at google earth and that the info/views may be dated.
Though of course, it's possible that you are a much better pilot than the rest of us, and would find it a piece of cake.
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I have flown into Caernarfon many many times in the Chipmunk, Yak, Cub, Citabria, and various spam cans. Runway 26 is not in any way 'difficult' in my experience. It's not a short, rough strip with obstacles on the approach, it's a nice long tarmac runway with an unobstructed approach to the displaced threshold.
Flew into Caernarfon in March and landed on runway 26, also in a PA28. Didn't have any problems. Its not a difficult approach and the runway is wide and long.
There are trees on the approach. The idea is you don't hit them, same goes for the caravan park, or any other obstacle between you and the runway.
It isn't rocket science.
There are trees on the approach. The idea is you don't hit them, same goes for the caravan park, or any other obstacle between you and the runway.
It isn't rocket science.
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Very sad. A challenging thought for us all, every time we get airborne to pursue our delights.
Fingers crossed for the two people in hospital. Condolences to family and friends.
Fingers crossed for the two people in hospital. Condolences to family and friends.
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When I saw the first photo of Caernafon in UKGA, I thought someone had been very proficient with Paintshop Pro editing, but apparently the turbines do exist...
Caernarfon Airport Runway 02/20 Conditions Of Use
If you look at the photos of the aircraft in the gallery series of photos, pay particular attention to the damaged trailing edge of the flaps, and what looks like vegetation in its hinges.
Man dies and two critical after plane crash in Caernarfon - North Wales Weekly News
I hope the survivors make a quick recovery, and that the AAIB reach some conclusion soon (and also for the PA38 accident in Cheshire one year ago.)
Caernarfon Airport Runway 02/20 Conditions Of Use
If you look at the photos of the aircraft in the gallery series of photos, pay particular attention to the damaged trailing edge of the flaps, and what looks like vegetation in its hinges.
Man dies and two critical after plane crash in Caernarfon - North Wales Weekly News
I hope the survivors make a quick recovery, and that the AAIB reach some conclusion soon (and also for the PA38 accident in Cheshire one year ago.)
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Runway 26 is not in any way 'difficult' in my experience.
No real point in conjecture at this early stage. Thoughts to the survivors and bereaved.
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Though of course, it's possible that you are a much better pilot than the rest of us, and would find it a piece of cake.
Noticeable from the photos; the aircraft is in the undershoot adjacent to a road. One picture shows power cables along the road. The distortion of the fuselage shows a considerable forward impact. I would not wish to speculate but the clues are there for all to see.
Which leads to the question - why was this aircraft so low that it appears to have collided with trees/power lines before reaching the airfield boundary?
A known unknown.
No real point in conjecture but there is no real reason ( barring exceptional circumstances ) why anyone should be flying shallow VFR glideslopes in GA aircraft with flaps. A bit of extra height might give you that safety cushion in case of the aircraft going tech on final.
No real point in conjecture but there is no real reason ( barring exceptional circumstances ) why anyone should be flying shallow VFR glideslopes in GA aircraft with flaps. A bit of extra height might give you that safety cushion in case of the aircraft going tech on final.