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Old 20th Feb 2013, 18:06
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A damn nuisance to themselves and everyone else in the air

I couldn't believe it when I saw this:

How It Feels [through Glass] - YouTube

There is some damn fool flying with these Tom foolery devices on, with his scan obscured by images. I wonder how cool people will think it is when there is a major air prox incident due to him not seeing another aircraft. It is incredible that google would suggest flying in such a dangerous and incompetent manner.

I hope the CAA are watching and taking notes.
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It's not dissimilar to the heads up displays that already exists on some commercial air transport, so I'm sure the CAA are aware of it and are happy with it in principle (although Google Glass is different from a hardware perspective).
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Let me get this straight

The box I'm the top right is that what the user can see. If it I'd I see very little problems myself.if it was to be used for flight info not to watch something etc.

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Did you post the correct link?

Cos if you did, I really can't see what the problem is.
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Old 20th Feb 2013, 19:43
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Hmm

Did you post the correct link?

Cos if you did, I really can't see what the problem is.
Have you considered taking further training?
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Originally Posted by PompousPaul
Have you considered taking further training?
Way to engender a sensible discussion. :roll:

That's killed any chance of a potentially useful or informative thread, right there.
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It could be a very efficient way of getting information without looking at a knee board! I'd be interested in trying it out, and since it can record video honestly it could be excellent as a training aid for aeros.
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Have you considered taking further training?
Sadly Hoodie you're correct.

Yes PompousPaul, I frequently undertake further training to further my skills.

Have you considered a lobotomy? That would be far more useful I think.
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When I saw this video, I did think "Surely, if you're doing aerobatics, then you want to see what's in the sky, not a bunch of mates on video chat, so having a chunk of your peripheral vision taken up with a display showing something else would", I thought, "be a pretty bad idea."

Although of course the real problem will be hordes of people in the streets shouting "OK Glass, do *blah*" - it'll be worse than people going "I'M ON THE TRAIN!".
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the real problem will be hordes of people in the streets shouting "OK Glass, do *blah*"
Yeah that's the future right there!

I was thinking for flying that you would use it for information purposes related to flying but I suppose it could be used for stupid distracting stuff as well. I don't think it would be a problem displaying still information, but moving stuff would most certainly be distracting. It's easy to move your head if you need to look where the screen is, much like you would with glasses frames.
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Have you considered a lobotomy? That would be far more useful I think.
Hmm, where could I get one done? I'd want it done cheaply mind, I'm not made of money you know!
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Hmm, where could I get one done? I'd want it done cheaply mind, I'm not made of money you know
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Cheapest way I've heard of is black and decker hammer drill with masonry bit, but to be honest, I wouldn't recommend it.

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Not sure if I'm grasping this, is it a fancy pair of eye glasses that works as a video recorder? if so its a neat idea, but as I'm always dropping mine and standing on them when ducking under the flaps during preflight, these glasses would need to be priced the same as the ones I buy from Tesco in bulk at 3 quid for 2 pairs or I am not interested.
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Ar

They are a neat AR (augmented reality) device. So, for example, you could load your flight plan and it's projected in front of you where to go. Horizon could also be projected so flying in bad wx becomes much easier. In fact good wx vis could be projected so it looks like flying in overlayed vmc.

Imagine approaching an airfield and repeating pattern entry instructions "join 24 right hand circuit" which is displayed directly in front of you.

Tcas could be projected too, to highlight traffic.

The software development system is out already and I thought it was kind of amazing. Expect a lot of app development from small developers similar to iPhone.

Although I admit I did open up by poking fun at the, often, inert conservatism of the flying community.

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Isn't that "innate"? or Innane?
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To be fair to the OP he's talking about these specs

Google Glass - What It Does

which are hardly close to the certified military or civilian HUD which are certified for use in aircraft at the moment.

It's hard to tell from this promotional video how much of your vision is actually taken up with this projection of sharing what you're seeing, and I would imagine that like a mobile phone at the moment it could suddenly pop up with a notification which could fill your vision and be distracting in flight.

Also, since from the video it seems to be largely voice controlled, not really sure how this will work in a noisy cockpit.

Seems like a great invention with tons of applications, but probably not the safest thing to be wearing whilst flying a light aircraft and doing aerobatics, but it is quite hard to tell from the promotional material exactly how it works and displays in your vision, ie just in the corner like in the video, or across your entire field of vision like in the other promotional shots.
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The concept is the same as HUD in civilian and military aircraft - overlaying information over your view out of the windshield.
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So "you" do Google's "Glass" marketing & pay them for the privilege? Call me dull, or cheap, but I think I'll leave that to others. I'd rather spend the $1500 on avgas.

The deadline for applications is February 27th. If you are chosen, we will reach out to you with an invitation to become a Glass Explorer (please remember to follow us so that we can contact you directly). Explorers will each need to pre-order a Glass Explorer Edition for $1500 plus tax and attend a special pick-up experience, in person, in New York, San Francisco or Los Angeles.
Cool gizmo tho'.

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Old 21st Feb 2013, 13:13
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Soooo much negativity...
Looks from the videos that it shows on a small section top right of one eye. The advantage of a HUD is that it can enhance the world outside, while you are still looking at the outside world. It means you don't have to look down into the cockpit to look at instruments - hence improving lookup.

With translucent screen placement top right only, it doesn't look like it can fully overlay the outside world - only provide some info top right, so it can't do "augmented reality" type things, which is what commercial / military HUDs do. It can only really provide additional info. So it couldn't put a circle round a plane in the middle of your vision which has been picked up on TCAS / FLARM etc (enhancing lookout) but it could provide a display of FLARM / PCAS / TCAS in the same way current machines do. It could show you your PLOG or a moving map - and so save you going "head in". It could display your speed / height.

I can see uses for it (or something similar), as long as limitations are known and you check that potential blind spot carefully. Bashing it blindly doesn't help anyone.
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Old 21st Feb 2013, 14:49
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Looks a very useful cockpit tool. IMHO, If anything, it will help stop aeroplanes bumping into each other - more time looking out, less time looking at instruments.
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