Little B@st@rds!!!!!
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A few years ago a friend of mine had some trouble with pikeys. They killed his dog in the process of attempting to recover the cost of some horticultural products.
He advised the police of his intentions if they should return with ref to a 12 guage pump. The police, quite rightly, advised him to use his car instead.
The pikeys did return, my friend did not follow the advice. Two pikeys were taken to intensive care & the other two required some minor surgery as they were a little further down range. They did not return after their recovery. My friend was fined for illegal possession.
Sometimes there is a happy ending.
He advised the police of his intentions if they should return with ref to a 12 guage pump. The police, quite rightly, advised him to use his car instead.
The pikeys did return, my friend did not follow the advice. Two pikeys were taken to intensive care & the other two required some minor surgery as they were a little further down range. They did not return after their recovery. My friend was fined for illegal possession.
Sometimes there is a happy ending.
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How about you read my post again!
I'm not saying it's the OPs fault the stuff got nicked, I'm saying it's his fault he has lost the information!
The ****ers who took his car deserve to have their eyes poked out as that will stop them stealing any more cars.
However, the fact is, the OP had not taken any precautions to look after his important data. He's now in the same boat he would be in if he had lost the book rather than having had it stolen.
If something is important, you need to have more than one copy. I copy the pictures from my phone (I take a lot) every week into my PC which gets backed up at least once a week onto an external hard drive which lives in a different building to the PC.
I make a point of photographing the tech log after flying. I use the tech log photo when I get home, to write up the logbook if I don't do it at the airfield.
My PC contains photo's of our passports and house insurance details as well as other info that I wouldn't want to be deprived of by theft, fire or flood.
A friend recently brought me a laptop to look at, the hard drive having failed. He was upset, as was his wife, as all the pictures of their two kids, (both under three years old) were on that laptop and not backed up to anything.
The good news is that recovery has "only" cost him £480 for Seagate to repair the hard drive and £50 for a portable hard drive from Argos. He now has two copies on DVD as well as the pictures in the laptop and the external drive. He could easily have been in more trouble if the drive had not been repairable.
It only takes a couple of seconds to photograph a page with your phone, do it today and keep the digital photo's somewhere safe.
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Patronising or not, please tell me you have changed all of the locks that they now have keys for.
Nothing from the police about finding the car yet.
Watched a police chopper lift off doing a medivac after a paragliding/hanglider collision in Wales.
Looked to me that he deliberately flew at a skylark 4 glider ridge soaring.
Chopper returned to the hill to get some kit left behind and nearly took out three paragliders because of his ignorance and stupidity.
CAA cautioned the glider pilot re prosecuttion for breaking the 500ft rule.
Supported the police chopper!
Morons.
I managed to help stop a malicious prosecutive but since then and an illegal intercept on a Paramotor pilot I have wondered where they found such clowns.
Just off to photocopy my Lidl reciepts incase my fish curry has horse in it and someone steals my wallet.
Looked to me that he deliberately flew at a skylark 4 glider ridge soaring.
Chopper returned to the hill to get some kit left behind and nearly took out three paragliders because of his ignorance and stupidity.
CAA cautioned the glider pilot re prosecuttion for breaking the 500ft rule.
Supported the police chopper!
Morons.
I managed to help stop a malicious prosecutive but since then and an illegal intercept on a Paramotor pilot I have wondered where they found such clowns.
Just off to photocopy my Lidl reciepts incase my fish curry has horse in it and someone steals my wallet.
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Watched a police chopper lift off doing a medivac after a paragliding/hanglider collision in Wales.
Looked to me that he deliberately flew at a skylark 4 glider ridge soaring.
Chopper returned to the hill to get some kit left behind and nearly took out three paragliders because of his ignorance and stupidity.
CAA cautioned the glider pilot re prosecuttion for breaking the 500ft rule.
Supported the police chopper!
Morons.
I managed to help stop a malicious prosecutive but since then and an illegal intercept on a Paramotor pilot I have wondered where they found such clowns.
Just off to photocopy my Lidl reciepts incase my fish curry has horse in it and someone steals my wallet.
Looked to me that he deliberately flew at a skylark 4 glider ridge soaring.
Chopper returned to the hill to get some kit left behind and nearly took out three paragliders because of his ignorance and stupidity.
CAA cautioned the glider pilot re prosecuttion for breaking the 500ft rule.
Supported the police chopper!
Morons.
I managed to help stop a malicious prosecutive but since then and an illegal intercept on a Paramotor pilot I have wondered where they found such clowns.
Just off to photocopy my Lidl reciepts incase my fish curry has horse in it and someone steals my wallet.
With two teenagers once in the house, both sets of cars keys were always in my pocket.
Where there's equipment used by a number of people, the safest option is to issue a key to each operator.
A securely fastened locked key box is a less secure alternative, but far better than an open line of hooks on the wall. Any lock only buys time, but likely the scrotes would not have the 15 minutes or so it would take to get to get into a locked key box with blunt instruments.
Do make sure the angle grinder is not left lying about nearby
Where there's equipment used by a number of people, the safest option is to issue a key to each operator.
A securely fastened locked key box is a less secure alternative, but far better than an open line of hooks on the wall. Any lock only buys time, but likely the scrotes would not have the 15 minutes or so it would take to get to get into a locked key box with blunt instruments.
Do make sure the angle grinder is not left lying about nearby
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With more than 2,500 views and 38 replies in just over two days, I wonder how many people have copied their logbooks as a result of this thread.
Is is coincidental that those blaming the victim for his loss are usually the muppets who look for any excuse to avoid punishing the criminal in order to demonstrate their "liberal enlightenment".
If real punishment was in place - a trip down a darkened alley where our tea leaf accidentally and repeatedly "walked" into a lamp post, for example, then we would have fewer of these antisocial people out looking to steal our stuff.
Concerning backups - what happens if the car is stolen and a meteorite lands on his house, destroying the back-up before he can use it to prove that his logbook is correct? Is it then his fault? According to you, possibly, because he didn't take into consideration that his house was hit by a meteorite around the same time his car was stolen.....
Obviously this reasoning can be carried on ad absurdum - for example, with backups held (e.g.) on the space station to avoid any nuclear devastation caused by world war 3 - but at the end of the day - no thief, then the thread starter still has his logbook....
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Sorry to be picky but "arschloch" is a noun and, as such, in German, should correctly be capitalised and thus spelled: "Arschloch".
Es ändert sich aber wenig in der Bedeutung!
Es ändert sich aber wenig in der Bedeutung!
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It's a bit late now but I used to do a pre-digital age backup of my logbook.
Photocopy each page as it's completed, keep the copy in a drawer at home.
Photocopy each page as it's completed, keep the copy in a drawer at home.
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The problem is that your plane could be all but worthless without its logbooks.
In one case I know, involving a sale to a person in a different country, it is totally worthless, because the number of cycles on certain parts cannot be determined, and this will block a registry transfer.
All the owner can hope for is to break it for scrap, or keep running it with the same one or more maintenance company that doesn't ask any questions and is prepared to forge records involving life limit checks.
In one case I know, involving a sale to a person in a different country, it is totally worthless, because the number of cycles on certain parts cannot be determined, and this will block a registry transfer.
All the owner can hope for is to break it for scrap, or keep running it with the same one or more maintenance company that doesn't ask any questions and is prepared to forge records involving life limit checks.
He means his Pilot log book, not the aircraft.
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Insurance company as bad as the theives ... almost!
Had the insurance interview this morning. When they asked what was in the car I told them. They don't cover loss of documents (I expected that). When I told them I'd also had a PDA in the car they asked where? "In the closed cubby box between the seats" I replied. "Oh that won't be covered then as it has to be in the boot or glove box" .......... Grrrrrrrr!!!!! The whole bloody car was nicked and the fact that it was in one box rather than another seems daft. Even if it had been a case of the car being broken into, surely if the item was out of sight it should be covered? So be warned, even though many larger cars have between the seats cubby boxes; Items in them will not be covered!
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Don't let them fob you off that easily.
Check the Ts & Cs in your policy to see if they make this clear and also to see if they define "glove box". After all, the cubby hole in the centre console is in fact where you keep your gloves isn't it?
Check the Ts & Cs in your policy to see if they make this clear and also to see if they define "glove box". After all, the cubby hole in the centre console is in fact where you keep your gloves isn't it?
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ISTR you saying that this "car" was a LLandrover...in which case, the "glovebox" is just a bit of a shelf on the dashboard.
I'm pretty sure the motor Insurer's bureau (not sure if that's correct!) who cover uninsured "hit and run" losses, among other stuff, would be interested in that excuse...also Office of Fair Trading....you put your PDA in a closed compartment...so let the buggers define "Glovebox" and how can they issue a policy for the vehicle ,not knowing or understanding their risk?....they can't, so therefore, they know there was no "dashboard-integrated lockable compartment" or however they might define it.
Unfair contract-term....dig your heels in, threaten court action to recover a REALISTIC sum and , if necessary issue a plaint .
Their job is to screw you down as low as they can,-yours, obviously, to get as much as you can. stand your ground for a fair and reasonable payout. been there,as a Motor-trader and as a private punter,both for myself and for customers. Also be aware your policy may contain "sections" which each identify and insure a part of the overall risk, in which case, accept the fair ones and dispute the contentious....nowadays, they cannot hold the lot until you accept the total package...IIRC, at 8 weeks the loss is "permanent" and they have to PAY.....NOT start negotiating!
Some insurance co's are a lot better than others in this respect.
I'm pretty sure the motor Insurer's bureau (not sure if that's correct!) who cover uninsured "hit and run" losses, among other stuff, would be interested in that excuse...also Office of Fair Trading....you put your PDA in a closed compartment...so let the buggers define "Glovebox" and how can they issue a policy for the vehicle ,not knowing or understanding their risk?....they can't, so therefore, they know there was no "dashboard-integrated lockable compartment" or however they might define it.
Unfair contract-term....dig your heels in, threaten court action to recover a REALISTIC sum and , if necessary issue a plaint .
Their job is to screw you down as low as they can,-yours, obviously, to get as much as you can. stand your ground for a fair and reasonable payout. been there,as a Motor-trader and as a private punter,both for myself and for customers. Also be aware your policy may contain "sections" which each identify and insure a part of the overall risk, in which case, accept the fair ones and dispute the contentious....nowadays, they cannot hold the lot until you accept the total package...IIRC, at 8 weeks the loss is "permanent" and they have to PAY.....NOT start negotiating!
Some insurance co's are a lot better than others in this respect.
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Here in North America, the auto policy only covers the car and accessories (stuff bolted on).
Personal property can be claimed under your homeowner or tenant property policy.
Personal property can be claimed under your homeowner or tenant property policy.
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Def don't let them away with saying that things aren't covered. Ask for the exact term in the policy that defines why something isn't covered. An insurance expert may even manage to get the costs covered for a CAA examiner for a flight test to start a new log. Get replacement quotes for your vehicle from reputable mainstream dealers- otherwise you'll only get a pittance based on some fictional "book value". Insist that your real world book value is more up to date than their assessment.
