Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Non-Airline Forums > Private Flying
Reload this Page >

John Houlder and G-AWOE

Private Flying LAA/BMAA/BGA/BPA The sheer pleasure of flight.

John Houlder and G-AWOE

Old 16th Jun 2014, 23:25
  #21 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: London Whipsnade Wildlife Park
Posts: 4,945
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Grrr

Not too sure it is at Elstree now. If that is the case, what happened to it?
Buster the Bear is offline  
Old 17th Jun 2014, 09:23
  #22 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Uxbridge
Posts: 856
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Still very much at Elstree. All offers via Elstree Airfield Manager.
MrAverage is offline  
Old 17th Jun 2014, 14:38
  #23 (permalink)  
Sir George Cayley
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
I bid 10 quid.

Next!

SGC
 
Old 17th Jun 2014, 14:48
  #24 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Uxbridge
Posts: 856
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I'll bid 15 if you'll take it apart for a share of the parts sold.
MrAverage is offline  
Old 19th Jun 2015, 18:03
  #25 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Los Angeles, USA
Age: 51
Posts: 1,631
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Is it still there and for sale?
AdamFrisch is offline  
Old 19th Jun 2015, 20:59
  #26 (permalink)  
Sir George Cayley
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
I understand it is still there 'in store'.

If you are bidding anything above 30 I'm out

SGC
 
Old 19th Jun 2015, 23:31
  #27 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Los Angeles, USA
Age: 51
Posts: 1,631
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
How much they want for it?
AdamFrisch is offline  
Old 20th Jun 2015, 13:27
  #28 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Uxbridge
Posts: 856
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I'll ask the boss and get back to you..........
MrAverage is offline  
Old 20th Jun 2015, 13:38
  #29 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: EGTR
Age: 43
Posts: 140
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
and what a beautiful beast it is...

YODI is offline  
Old 20th Jun 2015, 16:33
  #30 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Los Angeles, USA
Age: 51
Posts: 1,631
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thanks. Might be interested to bring her back to life if the price is right. Prob not flown for 5 years, so there would a little bit to do to get her running.

Last edited by AdamFrisch; 20th Jun 2015 at 17:54.
AdamFrisch is offline  
Old 21st Jun 2015, 10:16
  #31 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Dorset, UK
Age: 64
Posts: 357
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
1997, Larnaca, en-route Pakistan

Romeo Tango is offline  
Old 22nd Jun 2015, 09:54
  #32 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: London
Posts: 28
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I presume that any modifications that were made to it specifically for mr houlder under CAA approval would need to be reverted to original specification?
AndoniP is offline  
Old 22nd Jun 2015, 10:10
  #33 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Uxbridge
Posts: 856
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Adam

I spoke to the boss. There is no asking price. You need to make an offer.
MrAverage is offline  
Old 22nd Jun 2015, 17:57
  #34 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Los Angeles, USA
Age: 51
Posts: 1,631
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Hmm, OK.

Well, it's close to 10,000hrs TT. It has the Hartzell recurring AD props that need inspection every 500hrs, if it's not the older hubs which need it every 250hrs. The spar needs Eddy current inspection every 500hrs after 6000hrs unless it's been modified. The engines have 1400hr TBO - do you know how much time they have on them? In any case, after sitting for 5 years they'll need at least a top overhaul and maybe some cams. How are the fuel cells etc?

As she sits now, condition on having closer inspection, I would offer 10K today.

Also, someone mentioned that his mechanic also died a few years ago. But maybe the organization he worked for still exists? There must be someone there one could get some info from. Do you know serviced the Commander?

Last edited by AdamFrisch; 22nd Jun 2015 at 18:08.
AdamFrisch is offline  
Old 22nd Jun 2015, 19:38
  #35 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 142
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I think that John Houlder also held the appropriate CAA engineering licences and 'signed' off his own work. Those were the days.
gordon field is offline  
Old 23rd Jun 2015, 09:42
  #36 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: London, UK
Posts: 294
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Bonkers though you undoubtedly are, Adam, I think this one might be too much even for you

I remember John and his Commander coming up in conversation with an IRE while revalidating my IR once. According to this guy, all the IREs tried desperately to avoid him whenever his IR renewal came due. Not only was he by then getting on a bit, but he had removed the copilot seat and controls from the aircraft, so they had to sit in the back and if anything untoward did happen they had no way of taking control.

He also mentioned that there was a special restriction in the aircraft's documents that named John as the only authorised pilot, so that when John died, effectively so did the aircraft.

I did read an obituary online which confirmed these details. A Google search may turn it up.
Wrong Stuff is offline  
Old 23rd Jun 2015, 09:52
  #37 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 1999
Location: South East England
Posts: 586
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Adam I follow your threads with great interest.Just remember this is not aviation in the USA as you know it.You must be forgetting the delights of dealing with our beloved regulator and the poor maintenance organisations that shelter under their patronage.vbr Stampe
Stampe is offline  
Old 23rd Jun 2015, 16:05
  #38 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Los Angeles, USA
Age: 51
Posts: 1,631
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
No, I know. I would have to inspect both plane, logbooks and see what nasty other things turn up. But, taking customary installations out is always easier than putting them back in. So as long as he did that and didn't rip certified stuff out, it might not be the end of the world. Many other things might, tho.

I'm in Cardiff all summer for work, so I might pop over and have a peek at it.
AdamFrisch is offline  
Old 23rd Jun 2015, 17:29
  #39 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Uxbridge
Posts: 856
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Just spoke to the boss again. He'll put some fuel in and getting running for you if you arrange a date. His son owns engineering so he can also answer any questions.
MrAverage is offline  
Old 25th Jun 2015, 05:38
  #40 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Los Angeles, USA
Age: 51
Posts: 1,631
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Cool. I'll PM you when on Blighty's shores and closer to it.
AdamFrisch is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information

Copyright © 2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.