Public Apology Owed
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If I need to make it clearer, I'm happy to do so but I thought that including a link to the "offending" post and then suggesting that you should have followed that link and read the post, would be clear enough.
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Clareprop wrote:
For the avoidance of doubt I am Slipslider and I am not a mod, not a frequent poster, not anything to do with this right royal c@ckup!
Re-instate GtE! One of the good guys, knowledgeable on aeronautical matters and a true gentleman, as his very measured post from Flyer BB illustrates. End of.
I think I'm fairly au fait with the qualifications of most of the moderators on this board but I'm not sure I know who "Slipslider" (?) is or what background they come from.Any chance of enlightenment or is this also Verboten?.
Re-instate GtE! One of the good guys, knowledgeable on aeronautical matters and a true gentleman, as his very measured post from Flyer BB illustrates. End of.
Humblest apologies for besmirching your good name. Having checked properly I now see the fussbudget is in fact named Sidesliplanding
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Re-instate GtE! One of the good guys, knowledgeable on aeronautical matters and a true gentleman, as his very measured post from Flyer BB illustrates. End of.
Rather reminds me of the female Red Arrow, who left team do cries of support from PPRUNErs who did not know the facts.
Accept the limits of your knowledge and don't opine outside thereof
Rather reminds me of the female Red Arrow, who left team do cries of support from PPRUNErs who did not know the facts.
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I started the thread, Keypilot and the axiom is that GTE is owed a public apology for a mod posting his real name on the forum.
This not opinion in the absence of fact, I saw the post before it was edited and sanitised, after some hours.
As this is the thread I started, please will you stick to the topic and avoid thread drift, I would appreciate that.
This not opinion in the absence of fact, I saw the post before it was edited and sanitised, after some hours.
As this is the thread I started, please will you stick to the topic and avoid thread drift, I would appreciate that.
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I started the thread, Keypilot and the axiom is that GTE is owed a public apology for a mod posting his real name on the forum.
...GTE is owed a public apology for a mod posting his real name on the forum. This not opinion in the absence of fact, I saw the post before it was edited and sanitised, after some hours.
Below is a direct quote from the Pprune Forum Rules - look it up under FAQ's
Do not 'out' (reveal or attempt to reveal) the identity of another poster.
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Why? Mine has been posted a number of times and after complaint removed. I did not expect a public apology, its just the nature of the beast.
That deserves an apology.
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People have a tendency to offer their opinion despite an abence of knowledge - that was evident on the military forum when the female Red left the team, just as it is here with GTE.
What an arrogant narrow minded response
Obviously people will voice an opinion on the information they have and should question for the information they do not have?
As for trusting the reasons given? As in life trust no one question all?
I suppose you blindly trust all that politicians tell you and blindly believe what you are told ??
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I find it incredible that this whole issue hasn't been sorted by now. The Flyer Forum must be very happy that this is dragging on, as so many of the Pprune regulars go over there to discuss the issue!
In all the time I've been on Pprune, I've never seen an issue like this arise.
I've never seen such a user outcry over one of our members being banned.
And the really stupid thing is that this sorry mess has been all of Pprune's own creating. It's been badly handled from the beginning, and the lack of action or proper communication with the users is just making it worse.
An outsider might be forgiven for thinking that Pprune management didn't care about the members of its second busiest forum!
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In all the time I've been on Pprune, I've never seen an issue like this arise.
I've never seen such a user outcry over one of our members being banned.
And the really stupid thing is that this sorry mess has been all of Pprune's own creating. It's been badly handled from the beginning, and the lack of action or proper communication with the users is just making it worse.
An outsider might be forgiven for thinking that Pprune management didn't care about the members of its second busiest forum!
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I do not for one minute believe that this is the voice of pprune? I do not know how policy or such decisions are made whether they are by group meetings which would be the voice of pprune or whether by certain individuals who unilaterally make their own decisions for pprune?
Whatever pprune should note the unrest among its members which has been over some time and which has culminated and come to a head with Gs situation They should take note that maybe they are not right and listen more to their members.
And as stated by another poster! I do not know all the facts so the above is written with a pinch of salt! I never saw G as anyone but honest and honorable and unlikely to pick a fight. So was surprised even shocked when it was him.
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Whatever pprune should note the unrest among its members which has been over some time and which has culminated and come to a head with Gs situation They should take note that maybe they are not right and listen more to their members.
And as stated by another poster! I do not know all the facts so the above is written with a pinch of salt! I never saw G as anyone but honest and honorable and unlikely to pick a fight. So was surprised even shocked when it was him.
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Well said Pace. I recognize PPRuNe as a privately owned entity, and entitled to conduct itself as it chooses, without being accountable to members for that conduct. However, members are similarly entitled to a sense of confidence that their contributions are valued. Afterall, it is those contributions which "make" the content.
Many of us bring a vast array of experience to this forum, and share it freely. Personally, I do this as my way of returning the generosity shown me for decades, by wise aviation persons who have shared their time with me - I feel I owe it back, this seems [seemed] an suitable place to make this effort. It is an effort.
Looking back, and assuming that one quarter of my 2500 posts actually had useful informative content, and took 10 minutes each to prepare, that's still about 100 hours of my time - given to PPRuNe, and it's readers. That could have been a couple of STC's issued. I had enough reason to believe that this effort was appreciated by members, to continue. Now, I'm not so sure PPRuNe cares.
Firstly, a bunch of those post are gone now - do they deserve to be? There has already been a request that information I had posted be replaced (on a different PPRuNe forum) - and I cannot, as the only copy, resident in PPRuNe, is not available to me - and I wrote it!
Secondly, I simply feel now that whomever at PPRuNe, for reasons of their own, are taking a slash and burn approach to dealing with what I believe to be a very pinpoint problem.
If this is the new PPRuNe way, I'm not sure I want to invest any more.
Personally, I am waiting with great interest to hear PPRuNe's side, not so much what has happened to Genghis' posts, but in general, how the value of all members posts is appreciated, and protected for the benefit of all.
In the mean time, I'm not investing my time in other threads - lest it be a waste, now, or in the future....
Many of us bring a vast array of experience to this forum, and share it freely. Personally, I do this as my way of returning the generosity shown me for decades, by wise aviation persons who have shared their time with me - I feel I owe it back, this seems [seemed] an suitable place to make this effort. It is an effort.
Looking back, and assuming that one quarter of my 2500 posts actually had useful informative content, and took 10 minutes each to prepare, that's still about 100 hours of my time - given to PPRuNe, and it's readers. That could have been a couple of STC's issued. I had enough reason to believe that this effort was appreciated by members, to continue. Now, I'm not so sure PPRuNe cares.
Firstly, a bunch of those post are gone now - do they deserve to be? There has already been a request that information I had posted be replaced (on a different PPRuNe forum) - and I cannot, as the only copy, resident in PPRuNe, is not available to me - and I wrote it!
Secondly, I simply feel now that whomever at PPRuNe, for reasons of their own, are taking a slash and burn approach to dealing with what I believe to be a very pinpoint problem.
If this is the new PPRuNe way, I'm not sure I want to invest any more.
Personally, I am waiting with great interest to hear PPRuNe's side, not so much what has happened to Genghis' posts, but in general, how the value of all members posts is appreciated, and protected for the benefit of all.
In the mean time, I'm not investing my time in other threads - lest it be a waste, now, or in the future....
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Pprune is an excellent discussion forum, which has been hugely dependent upon the contribution of a relatively small number of contributors – many of whom have posted 1000s of threads and given a wealth of experience.
GTE undoubtedly falls into that camp, and is one of the reasons for the current outrage.
That hardcore of posters massively add to Pprune, and without them, this website would descend further into junk and discussions limited to passing selection tests/ go around “emergencies” at LHR etc.
It is against that backdrop that it is reasonable to have some comment from the Mods, and not to have posts that they don’t like just locked or deleted.
GTE undoubtedly falls into that camp, and is one of the reasons for the current outrage.
That hardcore of posters massively add to Pprune, and without them, this website would descend further into junk and discussions limited to passing selection tests/ go around “emergencies” at LHR etc.
It is against that backdrop that it is reasonable to have some comment from the Mods, and not to have posts that they don’t like just locked or deleted.
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Originally Posted by Pilot DAR
Firstly, a bunch of those post are gone now - do they deserve to be? There has already been a request that information I had posted be replaced (on a different PPRuNe forum) - and I cannot, as the only copy, resident in PPRuNe, is not available to me - and I wrote it!
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I think what's happened here is that the PP admins (Internet Brands) have comprehensively lost control of a particular well known moderator (who is posting under at least two names).
However this has been happening for years at some of the other less known PP forums, where bizzare things like this happened many times.
As I said earlier, the owners also need to consider whether in the long term they want to allow the site to become a forum for self appointed private detectives. Those threads may have helped uncover some dodgy characters (easy to do - aviation is a fertile breeding ground for them) but they have massively tainted the site in the eyes of anyone intelligent and reasonable.
Re my postings, if they all get deleted I don't suppose anybody will care. It is nothing like the huge archive of tech posts which GTE contributed over the years. I run my own website and the stuff I put real effort into goes on there. In fact, funnily enough, when one forum owner asked to to use my full name I said I will agree only if he does delete all my posts first
He declined, but later they did it anyway so one day I will go back there with a script and clean them all off.
However this has been happening for years at some of the other less known PP forums, where bizzare things like this happened many times.
As I said earlier, the owners also need to consider whether in the long term they want to allow the site to become a forum for self appointed private detectives. Those threads may have helped uncover some dodgy characters (easy to do - aviation is a fertile breeding ground for them) but they have massively tainted the site in the eyes of anyone intelligent and reasonable.
Re my postings, if they all get deleted I don't suppose anybody will care. It is nothing like the huge archive of tech posts which GTE contributed over the years. I run my own website and the stuff I put real effort into goes on there. In fact, funnily enough, when one forum owner asked to to use my full name I said I will agree only if he does delete all my posts first
He declined, but later they did it anyway so one day I will go back there with a script and clean them all off.
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I missed the issue which led to GtE's removal and generated this uproar.
I am not normally one for 'Mod' bashing and have been around this forum on and off since the original Compuserve days started by Danny.
Surely the amount of comment being expressed here (and elsewhere) is significant enough for the Mods to issue some sort of statement? Even if its a bland no comment with little information in it I think that the feelings of many users of this site deserve to be acknowleged by the site operator.
If this was a customer service business the total lack of response by the 'management' would have done serious damage to its credibility.
I am not normally one for 'Mod' bashing and have been around this forum on and off since the original Compuserve days started by Danny.
Surely the amount of comment being expressed here (and elsewhere) is significant enough for the Mods to issue some sort of statement? Even if its a bland no comment with little information in it I think that the feelings of many users of this site deserve to be acknowleged by the site operator.
If this was a customer service business the total lack of response by the 'management' would have done serious damage to its credibility.