Harvard' PB at Duxford today
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We could have been a Club PA38 with private low houred pilots on board,who might well have been spiked by this and landed over his head,or screwed up the go around from a low level.
I am a low (200+) hrs PPL & remember during my second solo (consolidation) I was cut up 3 times by a helicopter on final, then when I was asked if I had the Robin in sight said "Negative" misreading Robin for Robinson just as said Robin shot under me & landed from a low straight in. Go around 4. I found it educational, my instructor was complimentary. I didn't find it required an inquest reminiscent of the Gettysburg Adress. I asked the heli pilot what the vis was like from an R22, "excellent", --"then why couldn't you see a 152?"--" Sorry mate, I'll buy the coffee". Happiness all round & no raised blood pressure. I suggest you get a grip yourself.
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FAStoat, whose rant opened this entertaining thread, was evidently a passenger in the Tomahawk PA38. I wonder if he is still current? if still flying as pilot in charge of an aircraft, perhaps he should brush up on the rules for radio service at an uncontrolled airfield. Which is not allowed to clear any aircraft to do anything but only may advise of conditions prevailing.
Alpha alpha, seems from your post that you are a host at Duxford, I hope that old moaners like Stoat are few and far between. Perhaps some day I may visit Duxford in my old PA18 and say hello.....
Old but not a moaner.
Alpha alpha, seems from your post that you are a host at Duxford, I hope that old moaners like Stoat are few and far between. Perhaps some day I may visit Duxford in my old PA18 and say hello.....
Old but not a moaner.
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I was manning the mike at an airfield a few years ago and was trying to help a novice on his first XC who couldn't locate the strip - a bit lost in fact. When I got him overhead I thought that a cup of tea might help calm his nerves. The CFO grabbed the mike from my hands and said in no uncertain terms that the student had failed, that he should not land and he must immediately fly back to Blackpool (I think it was) where he started out.
Rudeness, it's nothing new.
Rudeness, it's nothing new.
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Failed what? if the student was from another field all he had to do was fly home and tell his FI that everything on his xc went just marvellous (talking from experience here) and nobody is any the wiser
The CFO grabbed the mike from my hands and said in no uncertain terms that the student had failed
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Mary:
I'm a part-time FISO at Duxford. I also organise the Duxford Bonus Days - discount days to encourage folk to fly in and enjoy what we have to offer -- some would say the best active aviation museum in Europe. The AOPA Bonus Day is Sunday, 23rd September and there are still a few slots left to fly in (book at Welcome to AOPA UK). Come and say hi on that day, or the Saturday, and you'll get me. Otherwise we all try to be welcoming -- we are, after all, the first and the last voice that the pilot will speak to at Duxford.
Personally, I'm a Cessna man, but I've got some hours in a PA18. Duxford's grass runway is well-drained and flat enough to flatter even my landings (well. some of them).
Alan.
I'm a part-time FISO at Duxford. I also organise the Duxford Bonus Days - discount days to encourage folk to fly in and enjoy what we have to offer -- some would say the best active aviation museum in Europe. The AOPA Bonus Day is Sunday, 23rd September and there are still a few slots left to fly in (book at Welcome to AOPA UK). Come and say hi on that day, or the Saturday, and you'll get me. Otherwise we all try to be welcoming -- we are, after all, the first and the last voice that the pilot will speak to at Duxford.
Personally, I'm a Cessna man, but I've got some hours in a PA18. Duxford's grass runway is well-drained and flat enough to flatter even my landings (well. some of them).
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Failed what? if the student was from another field all he had to do was fly home and tell his FI that everything on his xc went just marvellous (talking from experience here) and nobody is any the wiser
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?? When I did mine, I had a form to be signed by each of the away airfields with a space for a comment on my performance and airmanship. Is that something my school dreamed up? I assumed it was standard.
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It seems the OP has taken your advice and gone down and lying down in a quiet room.
Probably good for their wellbeing but doing nothing for the entertainment value of this thread.
I have crossed swords with the IWM management in the past but love Duxford as it is indeed the only and best Aviation Museum in Europe. To the chap/ess who vowed never to go back. You are short changing yourself.
Probably good for their wellbeing but doing nothing for the entertainment value of this thread.
I have crossed swords with the IWM management in the past but love Duxford as it is indeed the only and best Aviation Museum in Europe. To the chap/ess who vowed never to go back. You are short changing yourself.
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I didn't find it required an inquest reminiscent of the Gettysburg Adress.
On the other hand, a chap died at Sibson in allegedly similar circumstances.
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The Gettysburg Adress has 272 words. The OP used 571.
Besides, reminiscent does not mean "the same as".
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When Flying into these Active Museums a little bit of extra care needs to be taken as the locals do tend to operate slightly differently and have different needs to the average GA jockey, eg PA28s don't tend to need to do Run & Breaks!
However, it is great fun to mix it with the interesting stuff, and yes I have had a Harvard run & Break next to me as I am touching down, and had an AirCobra push in at the hold for take-off, but I love the atmosphere and experience of flying into Duxford and Old Warden
However, it is great fun to mix it with the interesting stuff, and yes I have had a Harvard run & Break next to me as I am touching down, and had an AirCobra push in at the hold for take-off, but I love the atmosphere and experience of flying into Duxford and Old Warden
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Well, if it was an Airacobra it could only have been our one...
although in mitigation it only had a couple of minutes to get airborne before it overheated
It now lives in Texas, where of course OAT's are nothing to worry about
although in mitigation it only had a couple of minutes to get airborne before it overheated It now lives in Texas, where of course OAT's are nothing to worry about
After standing by and keeping my tongue behind my teeth (keyboardwise)(and it is a hard exercise for me, far harder than a simulated PFL at my home field) I must say I feel some sympathy with the o/p. The Harvard's behaviour, as described (we haven't heard or seen the other party's version) was indeed inacceptable. Whether he was flying a warbird or a weight-shift microlight or a wide-body is irrelevant. As a matter of fact, whatever was said on the radio is just as irrelevant, the place being OCAS. Either plane, or even both, might well have been NORDO, and that would not have changed the least comma to the rules or responsabilities for either pilot, nor for the radio operator.
Before lining up, one checks for planes on final or even in the base leg, and judges whether line-up AND the associated take-off can be effected in a sufficiently safe manner. If not, hold short. That's law, AFAIK, and it obviously wasn't respected.
That said, I can't help feeling the o/p is, at heart, taking the incident for what it was; as some have suggested he should. With his reported experience, he must know that **** happens, and he must have committed some less-than-perfect maneuvers himself. The opening post sounded rather objective. Only later, when apparently few would sympathise, did the tone get bitter. O/P seems to mainly regret that many write as if the Harvard's behaviour was perfectly normal and acceptable - and that is what it certainly wasn't.
PS My sincere apologies to any person concerned who is not a HE - I avoided (s)he and her/him purely for the sake of readability.
Before lining up, one checks for planes on final or even in the base leg, and judges whether line-up AND the associated take-off can be effected in a sufficiently safe manner. If not, hold short. That's law, AFAIK, and it obviously wasn't respected.
That said, I can't help feeling the o/p is, at heart, taking the incident for what it was; as some have suggested he should. With his reported experience, he must know that **** happens, and he must have committed some less-than-perfect maneuvers himself. The opening post sounded rather objective. Only later, when apparently few would sympathise, did the tone get bitter. O/P seems to mainly regret that many write as if the Harvard's behaviour was perfectly normal and acceptable - and that is what it certainly wasn't.
PS My sincere apologies to any person concerned who is not a HE - I avoided (s)he and her/him purely for the sake of readability.
Jan, whether or not a public Internet complaint was proportionate or not (personally it would have been "tut" and move on...), much of the reaction the OP got was because he chose to denigrate a named individual without - by his own admission - knowing whether that person was involved or not. His later post revealed that he did not recognise that as a failing.
Something about stones and glasshouses comes to mind.
Something about stones and glasshouses comes to mind.
