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Old 10th May 2012, 16:15
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women are almost always easier to teach marital arts to.
Did I read that wrong
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Old 10th May 2012, 16:19
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Dan the W,

Not sure if that straight and level part was sarcasm or not?

But if you're being serious then... :S
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I would never attempt to teach marital arts to anybody, I only hope that I'm getting them about right myself.

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Old 10th May 2012, 16:23
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Originally Posted by EGKB
Dan the W,

Not sure if that straight and level part was sarcasm or not?

But if you're being serious then... :S
I think he's right - consistently flying at the right speed, altitude and track is a difficult and demanding task. Particularly once you add in managing the aeroplane, navigating, communicating, looking out, and keeping an eye on what your passengers are up to. It took me quite a few years, and I notice that my accuracy in hand flown S&L is, along with punchy RT, one of the first things to degrade if I've not flown for a while.

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Not sure if that straight and level part was sarcasm or not?
Well he was being serious - that's how much all those hours on the flight sim game taught you...

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Old 10th May 2012, 16:34
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It's kind of a hinderence to the beginning of my learning because he was going through all flight controls, and wouldn't listen to me when I told him I knew what the rudder/ailerons where..
I think maybe the problem is not that your instructor would not listen to you, but the other way round - The problem with guys who teach themselves, be it Flying via the Sim or anything else, is that they get it wrong!! This is why most instructors WILL start at the begining and cover the complete syllabus! What will happen though is that if you actually listen to him and pick up the bits you have got wrong, rather than sit there thinking you know it already, you will learn much quicker.
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Old 10th May 2012, 16:42
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but so far I've done everything perfectly,
How? None of us have?

I assure you that you very certainly have not analyszed your performance perfectly!
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Old 10th May 2012, 16:46
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EGKB, people are being pretty hard on you now might be better to duck out .

Ease up a little people he really has chilled out and seen the error of his ways and understand that instructors have to start somewhere.

Also, I am deadly serious. The bit that people take the longest to master is unquestionably straight and level. So many things can happen to disturb it and you're always busy trying to make sure you're in the right place or on the right track. You're rarely flying with the ball in the middle which means you're not tracking straight towards stuff, the power isn't quite right, the trim isn't quite right. Straight and Level is difficult because your aircraft changes height and heading without being obvious and you'll often find yourself trying to stay straight and level for long periods. It doesn't change when you get into an airliner (that doesn't have fancy things like AP and AT and AutoTrim).

Trust me, your instructor will be driving you bonkers with calls of "heading" "altitude" .

Good luck.
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Dan,

My skins thicker than 99% of people, otherwise I'd have left a long while ago. It's all interesting to me, the fact people don't listen.

Pilot DAR,

Look at post #190

Or if you're too lazy:

"Golden eagle..


I think perfect cannot be applied in either sim or real world. I just think safe operations of the occupants others and the aircraft are key. And that's what I've been doing so far. When I say perfect I'm generally refering to the fact that I don't need to be told how to trim, after being told once it's embedded in me.

EGKB"


Evidently you have proved you're trying to belittle me. If you was actually trying to give help then you'd read my posts, but seems to me like you're nit picking.
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He was being serious about straight and level being difficult?

It's probably the easiest thing I've done.

Told me to climb/descend to XX altitude and I did it just fine, no assistance and stayed +/- 20ft of the given altitude.
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Old 10th May 2012, 17:47
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DAR is a test pilot, nit picking is his job. A good test pilot is quite capable of writing a ten page report about how badly their toaster works, then to conclude that it actually works quite well. It would not occur to a bad test pilot to even analyse his toaster.

DAR is a good test pilot, with an impressive professional reputation.


We are many of us here also aerospace professionals. There is a basic mode of communication amongst aerospace professionals, it goes something like this: "you idiot, why on earth did you do that?". Fell free to go and search out the number of occasions people have said that to me on Pprune, there are a fair number.

Good aerospace professionals also have another mode which is to listen bloody hard to even the mildest comments, with massive humility, and take everything on board.


Nit-picking, again, is basically a survival strategy in aviation. The search for perfection is another, even if we all know it's a fiction.


Where you wish to sit on this spectrum, is ultimately up to you.

He was being serious about straight and level being difficult?

It's probably the easiest thing I've done.

Told me to climb/descend to XX altitude and I did it just fine, no assistance and stayed +/- 20ft of the given altitude.
Whilst doing the radio, navigating, in or close to cloud, managing the aeroplane systems, looking out, staying on track, talking to your passengers, and for potentially several hours at a time?

Just when people are trying to defend you, you really do manage to dig another hole for yourself over and over again. The people telling you, a 6 hour pre-solo student, that you don't understand, have thousands of hours, on hundreds of aeroplane types, across half the planet. Listen to them.

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He was being serious about straight and level being difficult?

It's
probably the easiest thing I've done.

Told me to climb/descend to XX
altitude and I did it just fine, no assistance and stayed +/- 20ft of the given
altitude
Wonderful, wonderful, just wonderful

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Old 10th May 2012, 17:52
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Don't suppose you were looking out the window were you?

Or were you looking at the instruments all the time to keep that +-20ft?
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Old 10th May 2012, 17:59
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EGKB,

You might feel its nit picking, many of us on here come from a background where the devil is in the detail. It may be in written format or through certain actions. Make a mistake and it can have serious consequences. The one thing that is common to all the people that have offered you advice is that they are further along the learning curve than you. They have also learnt to listen and absorb / apply what they are being told.

You talk of being able to fly +/- 20' of selected altitude, what about the other varibles? What happened with the heading, what was your airspeed? was that constant? where was the ball with respect to balance, was it a turbulent day? and was the accuracy maintained for a decent time (say 20 minutes).

At the moment your written responses show poor attitude, perhaps thats not what you want - if that's the case, then don't be in such a hurry to respond, consider your response and then act.
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Old 10th May 2012, 18:16
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EGKB

When you first started up in this thread I supported a certain principal of pitch for speed or power for speed as I felt it warranted further discussion and clarification.
Since then I am puzzled by your responses and dare I say immature attitude? Can I ask you a question?
What are you hoping to get from the thread for yourself or your flying as I am at a loss now as to why you posted?

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Old 10th May 2012, 18:24
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Okay, shouldn't have been drawn in, total troll, or idiot, or both
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Old 10th May 2012, 18:25
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Told me to climb/descend to XX altitude and I did it just fine, no assistance and stayed +/- 20ft of the given altitude.
That's always a useful skill. What did the oil temperature do throughout that exercise?
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Old 10th May 2012, 19:54
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The more I learn about flying the less I feel that I actually know. EGKB, I'm sure you're going to feel the same way in the future. At the moment it's easy to feel that you know a lot because you've played around on a simulator, and had a go at the basics in the air, but as you get experience and particularly when things start to go wrong in the air, you're going to start asking questions of yourself. You'll only discover you're own limitations through experience so while you have less than an abundance of experience you need to rely on your instructor to recognise those limitations for you and to spoon feed you at a pace that you can keep up with, and they will likely do that with tried and tested techniques. You shouldn't feel the need to critisice those techniques at such an early stage in your training. Enjoy yourself and don't over-reach. The fundamentals are important and believe me, there will be plenty of times that you struggle to stay straight and level in the future!
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Old 10th May 2012, 20:37
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there will be plenty of times that you struggle to stay straight and level in the future!
Me, taking a club check ride a couple of days ago, after several weeks not flying. Downwind leg, correct power, heading fine, level fine, speed fine, trim fine, no visible problems.

Me: "Yes, I can tell when I haven't been flying for a few weeks, can't I".

Instructor: "Eh? You're doing fine."

Me: "Yes I know, but I'm having to think about it."
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Old 10th May 2012, 21:06
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EGKB - It's a big bad world out there away from your computer screen, I have tried to find something in terms you might understand. Please forgive me if I have not hit the nail on the head. The two guys in the video clip are flight instructors!!

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