N-reg situation update
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To be honest that really doesn't bother me as long as its time is spent in the EU as a transit. Ie its truely international which is what the ICAO rules where intended for.
Its the sitting and operating for years never once leaving the area I think is wrong.
Its the sitting and operating for years never once leaving the area I think is wrong.
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And why exactly ? What's is got to do with someone like you flying for pleb airways who openly and admittedly abuses junior FO's with you golden b*lled assumed authority.
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How have I admitted abusing FO's?
Not that it doesn't happen occasionally when required or responding to a dig in my direction.
If it was the FO saying to me "sign the paper work bitch" which in my book is perfectly acceptable banter for a FO to say to the Captain after reading a thread about a flybe incident which he had mentioned.
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will have to use that one. Keep the standards up even though we don't have as nice hardware as yourself.
Not that it doesn't happen occasionally when required or responding to a dig in my direction.
If it was the FO saying to me "sign the paper work bitch" which in my book is perfectly acceptable banter for a FO to say to the Captain after reading a thread about a flybe incident which he had mentioned.
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will have to use that one. Keep the standards up even though we don't have as nice hardware as yourself.
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Your short term memory is playing up again. What was it you said about your 200 or so hour new FO that you are flying with next week ? Please read your posts again, your memory loss is very worrying. Having says all that your poor FO is going to have his work cut our with HRH Captain W*nkstain.
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Err that I was starting line training him. Or was it the breaking in fresh meat that you object to?
And he won't have a prob, he will work hard and enjoy himself and learn heaps.
HRH Captain W*nkstain
I will also add that I would also class being called that by the FO as banter, in fact its positively tame compare to what the Scottish and Irish FO's come out with. But next time they call me Capt Bawbag I will insist they put the HRH in first.
And he won't have a prob, he will work hard and enjoy himself and learn heaps.
HRH Captain W*nkstain
I will also add that I would also class being called that by the FO as banter, in fact its positively tame compare to what the Scottish and Irish FO's come out with. But next time they call me Capt Bawbag I will insist they put the HRH in first.
EASA N reg
Visited Aero 2012 at Friedrichshafen yesterday in a private N Reg Uk based turboprop single. We picked another pax in Germany en route.
I came across an EASA Stand in one of the exhibition halls and made a visit,
I asked one of the half a dozen or so suited gentlemen for some advice and information on the pilot license changes with reference to Third country licensing.
I was given a one page handout pretty much the same as received from our CAA.
I asked him as I had flown through France Belgium Germany en route ,which countries had delayed implementation of the Regulation on Aircrew. All he would confirm was that Gemany had delayed for one year but did not know about the other countries and if I was legal or not!! Information would be published in the coming months. I commented that was no help to me flying today, but was fobbed of with a smile and apologies that his English was not so good.
Lots of glossy brochures, one about fallout from Volcanic clouds but no concrete information from the masters of this mess.
I came across an EASA Stand in one of the exhibition halls and made a visit,
I asked one of the half a dozen or so suited gentlemen for some advice and information on the pilot license changes with reference to Third country licensing.
I was given a one page handout pretty much the same as received from our CAA.
I asked him as I had flown through France Belgium Germany en route ,which countries had delayed implementation of the Regulation on Aircrew. All he would confirm was that Gemany had delayed for one year but did not know about the other countries and if I was legal or not!! Information would be published in the coming months. I commented that was no help to me flying today, but was fobbed of with a smile and apologies that his English was not so good.
Lots of glossy brochures, one about fallout from Volcanic clouds but no concrete information from the masters of this mess.
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The EASA web site offers a QandA section on the implication of the new regs....very helpful you would assume.
The section related to Third Country Operators is "under construction."
The contact us feature is useless, simply because they do not, or will not answer answer emails. (They do have an automated acknowledgement service).
Might I suggest that all those with reasonable questions contact EASA through their web site and DEMAND answers.
The section related to Third Country Operators is "under construction."
The contact us feature is useless, simply because they do not, or will not answer answer emails. (They do have an automated acknowledgement service).
Might I suggest that all those with reasonable questions contact EASA through their web site and DEMAND answers.
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Going back to the original post from Peter, the article linked to has been slightly revised:
PPL/IR Europe - EASA Part FCL and Foreign-Registered Aircraft (FRA)
Main changes seem to be comment on the "horizontal" derogation and the process of states applying the various derogations.
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PPL/IR Europe - EASA Part FCL and Foreign-Registered Aircraft (FRA)
Main changes seem to be comment on the "horizontal" derogation and the process of states applying the various derogations.
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The section related to Third Country Operators is "under construction."
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I commented that was no help to me flying today, but was fobbed of with a smile and apologies that his English was not so good.
Ah yes, that would be open and transparent then. A bit like this thread, the best aviation minds and not one of us really has any idea whats going on!
Ah yes, that would be open and transparent then. A bit like this thread, the best aviation minds and not one of us really has any idea whats going on!
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Gosh... been away for a few days and what do I find? Mad Jock spouting diatribe which is astonishing even by his normal standards 
He claims to have 4000 hours on turboprops of some sort. I feel sorry for the poor bastards who were forced to share a cockpit with this aggressive, bitter, jealous and poorly informed "pilot" who no doubt spouts the same bollox in the cockpit as he does here (people never really change).
One would have hoped that CRM would have weeded out those types not long after this. That's probably why he spends so much time on here.
That made me smile. I've just got back from there (FL200 most of the way and dodging buildups at -34C; takes me 40 mins to get there 
) and yes EASA had a right bunch of pillocks on their stand. Young (mostly) and looking extremely smart. I walked up to one of them and suggested that they have the word "safety" everywhere but actually EASA is nothing to do with safety, it has done close to NOTHING for GA, and all we have got here is a politically motivated agenda run as a private project of a few individuals. The chap agreed (what else; that is always the correct procedure anyway) but the others looked pretty alarmed. They are obviously well aware of the comments which they had to listen to many times during the show. This chap suggested that the problem is really caused by EASA having pushed this into law but without any implementing rules having been worked out. Well, that's true for sure... It stinks.
Actually I think all of the above is close to the mark. No wonder the man is so bitter over those who have done more than he has.
He claims to have 4000 hours on turboprops of some sort. I feel sorry for the poor bastards who were forced to share a cockpit with this aggressive, bitter, jealous and poorly informed "pilot" who no doubt spouts the same bollox in the cockpit as he does here (people never really change).
One would have hoped that CRM would have weeded out those types not long after this. That's probably why he spends so much time on here.
Visited Aero 2012 at Friedrichshafen yesterday in a private N Reg Uk based turboprop single. We picked another pax in Germany en route.
I came across an EASA Stand in one of the exhibition halls and made a visit,
I asked one of the half a dozen or so suited gentlemen for some advice and information on the pilot license changes with reference to Third country licensing.
I was given a one page handout pretty much the same as received from our CAA.
I asked him as I had flown through France Belgium Germany en route ,which countries had delayed implementation of the Regulation on Aircrew. All he would confirm was that Gemany had delayed for one year but did not know about the other countries and if I was legal or not!! Information would be published in the coming months. I commented that was no help to me flying today, but was fobbed of with a smile and apologies that his English was not so good.
Lots of glossy brochures, one about fallout from Volcanic clouds but no concrete information from the masters of this mess.
I came across an EASA Stand in one of the exhibition halls and made a visit,
I asked one of the half a dozen or so suited gentlemen for some advice and information on the pilot license changes with reference to Third country licensing.
I was given a one page handout pretty much the same as received from our CAA.
I asked him as I had flown through France Belgium Germany en route ,which countries had delayed implementation of the Regulation on Aircrew. All he would confirm was that Gemany had delayed for one year but did not know about the other countries and if I was legal or not!! Information would be published in the coming months. I commented that was no help to me flying today, but was fobbed of with a smile and apologies that his English was not so good.
Lots of glossy brochures, one about fallout from Volcanic clouds but no concrete information from the masters of this mess.
) and yes EASA had a right bunch of pillocks on their stand. Young (mostly) and looking extremely smart. I walked up to one of them and suggested that they have the word "safety" everywhere but actually EASA is nothing to do with safety, it has done close to NOTHING for GA, and all we have got here is a politically motivated agenda run as a private project of a few individuals. The chap agreed (what else; that is always the correct procedure anyway) but the others looked pretty alarmed. They are obviously well aware of the comments which they had to listen to many times during the show. This chap suggested that the problem is really caused by EASA having pushed this into law but without any implementing rules having been worked out. Well, that's true for sure... It stinks.
You've had a few pints, haven't you ? Either that or a poor education. Do you really know anything about aircraft insurance ? A likely further spouting of your lack of knowledge and poor spelling. I had actually written a detailed response in relation to aircraft insurance but deleted it as it would be lost on you.
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yes yes everyone is bitter and twisted if they don't agree that N reg should be allowed to continue, how dare we say that it is a problem that needed solving years ago.
And of course I am aggressive because I argue back and say things you don't want hear.
And if I don't back down you slag off my professional standards because I am obviously some sort of nutter because I don't agree with you.
Funny enough there arn't huge arguments about N reg on EU national reg aircraft. It really isn't a CRM issue.
No wonder the powers that be are determined to put a stop to it. And no doudt years to come the bitching will continue.
Its pots and kettles with aggressive behaviour and attempts at bullying folk into agreeing with you.
And of course I am aggressive because I argue back and say things you don't want hear.
And if I don't back down you slag off my professional standards because I am obviously some sort of nutter because I don't agree with you.
Funny enough there arn't huge arguments about N reg on EU national reg aircraft. It really isn't a CRM issue.
No wonder the powers that be are determined to put a stop to it. And no doudt years to come the bitching will continue.
Its pots and kettles with aggressive behaviour and attempts at bullying folk into agreeing with you.
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Remember people...
Speaking as a tp/jet pilot that has been licenced for 20 years both CAA and FAA (with other validations) there is no difference between an experienced FAA pilot or an experienced JAA/CAA pilot. It's the lower timed FAA pilots that lack the knowledge of the JAA but perhaps they would not be in the seats of foreign reg TP's or Bizjets in the first place without a fair few hours of experience. Low timed JAA pilots with 200 hours are driving electric jets (you know, the ones MJ is too old to operate and never will which may explain his hang up why he's stuck on a light aircraft such as a jetstream) every day safely, the FAA writtens lack the in depth detail that European exams do but generally experience makes up for that by the time the pilots get to serious machinery. I feel so much safer in the knowledge that my weather radar operates at 9.375 ghz and DME utilises PON though. Hyperbolic navigation has really stood me in good stead, as has the properties of Mercator charts and other shyte.
MJ, I understand where your coming from with your FD banter. That does not make it unprofessional or unsafe, I do believe you may relax some newbie FO's with it, infact. I however also believe you are not making your point very well here.
Speaking as a tp/jet pilot that has been licenced for 20 years both CAA and FAA (with other validations) there is no difference between an experienced FAA pilot or an experienced JAA/CAA pilot. It's the lower timed FAA pilots that lack the knowledge of the JAA but perhaps they would not be in the seats of foreign reg TP's or Bizjets in the first place without a fair few hours of experience. Low timed JAA pilots with 200 hours are driving electric jets (you know, the ones MJ is too old to operate and never will which may explain his hang up why he's stuck on a light aircraft such as a jetstream
) every day safely, the FAA writtens lack the in depth detail that European exams do but generally experience makes up for that by the time the pilots get to serious machinery. I feel so much safer in the knowledge that my weather radar operates at 9.375 ghz and DME utilises PON though. Hyperbolic navigation has really stood me in good stead, as has the properties of Mercator charts and other shyte.MJ, I understand where your coming from with your FD banter. That does not make it unprofessional or unsafe, I do believe you may relax some newbie FO's with it, infact. I however also believe you are not making your point very well here.
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I however also believe you are not making your point very well here.
Its as if they think that if they can silence any one saying well actually I can see why it needs to be done and why the NAA's want it done. They will be able to say nobody wants it get lost.
When in fact there has been lobbying for years. And obviously alot of planning into getting it through. I wouldn't mind betting already there is lobbying going on in the US to ensure it doesn't go through whatever they decide at the conference even if they do actually agree for a 1 to 1 swap which I don't think will happen.
Personally I think they will get the engineering sorted out for bi-lateral with out grandfather rights on current kit and the FCL stuff will be left in limbo.
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they have the word "safety" everywhere but actually EASA is nothing to do with safety,
Yes, I challenged them on this too and I don't suppose I was the only one. I found out later that they have NO safety statistics at all and are making decisions based on "That's a good idea".
Definitely an organisation which is not fit for purpose.
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Years ago, the DfT (in one of its sporadic anti-N-reg drives which some ex Oxford arts graduate there would kick off every so often) asked the CAA to come up with safety data showing N-regs to be less safe. The CAA famously replied that the accident data does not show that at all Which is completely unsuprising to anybody who periodically reads the AAIB reports.
The EASA initiative is purely political. But it is multi faceted and it isn't just a form of say MJ's pure-envy kind of thing. There is that, but very few people in EASA are pilots (Sivel for example told me he has a PPL and rents the odd PA28) and probably none use GA for anything serious. They pushed this through to have something to beat the FAA around the head with on other matters which I gather concern airline stuff.
Which is completely unsuprising to anybody who periodically reads the AAIB reports.The EASA initiative is purely political. But it is multi faceted and it isn't just a form of say MJ's pure-envy kind of thing. There is that, but very few people in EASA are pilots (Sivel for example told me he has a PPL and rents the odd PA28) and probably none use GA for anything serious. They pushed this through to have something to beat the FAA around the head with on other matters which I gather concern airline stuff.
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Peter its not envy, N reg in europe has absolutely no effect on my life whats so ever.
In fact the majority of people who are working towards the changes it doesn't effect either.
Can you not understand that they can't allow pilots and aircraft to remain outside there oversight if they are based in a country or in a group of collective oversight countries. They just can't accept residents opting out from what they have legislated because they want to for whatever reason.
There will be people pushing it through for stated reasons
There will also be people pushing it through for political reasons.
I don't think many of them truely believe that its a bargining tool for negotiations with the US. Do you really think the US cares what happens to less than 5000 pilots and aircraft owners in the EU getting screwed over by thier own goverments.
In fact the majority of people who are working towards the changes it doesn't effect either.
Can you not understand that they can't allow pilots and aircraft to remain outside there oversight if they are based in a country or in a group of collective oversight countries. They just can't accept residents opting out from what they have legislated because they want to for whatever reason.
There will be people pushing it through for stated reasons
There will also be people pushing it through for political reasons.
I don't think many of them truely believe that its a bargining tool for negotiations with the US. Do you really think the US cares what happens to less than 5000 pilots and aircraft owners in the EU getting screwed over by thier own goverments.
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I have updated my writeup here, near the end, with a translation of a French statement which suggests that France has gone for the 2 year derogation.
I still have yet not seen a translated German statement but I hear they have gone for a 1 year one (though that might have been a confusion with the 1 year horizontal derogation which is a separate thing).
I still have yet not seen a translated German statement but I hear they have gone for a 1 year one (though that might have been a confusion with the 1 year horizontal derogation which is a separate thing).
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The German LBA is English proficient. In fact, they are a higher authority in matters concerning the English language than the FAA, having refused to accept my FAA proficiency rating...
Here's their English announcement.
That's a translation error, the German original says "... will only apply from 2013. In addition, the Federal Republic of Germany will opt-out of certain annexes beyond 2013."
Here's their English announcement.
The Annexes I to VII of the regulation (such as Part-FCL,...) are applicable from 8 April 2012.
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Isn't there a confusion there between the two types of derogation?
Which of the two is Germany going for?
The horizontal one is for one year, AIUI, always. The original one can be anywhere from zero to 2 years.
Which of the two is Germany going for?
The horizontal one is for one year, AIUI, always. The original one can be anywhere from zero to 2 years.