A Woodford visit before it closes
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A Woodford visit before it closes
Flew over to Woodford yesterday and got a perfect day for it, took my little video cam along and put the results up onto youtube, also got some pictures, the in flight ones aren’t too good as they are just stills from the video.
ATC where the most helpful ATSU I’ve come across and was a real privilege to have the whole airfield and it’s services all to myself
Hope to be able to get back there before the 25th, though to get any better shots I’ll probably need a camera man … oops camera person : .
Flight through Manchester CTA was mostly uneventful and I even managed to get a direct track Woodford to Liverpool on the way back, well you don’t get if you don’t ask.
Was rather interesting being downwind at Woodford and seeing the Manchester final approach so close though it hasn’t shown up on the video mostly due to the haze layer.
Was nice to be back at Woodford been a number of years since I was working there when it was in full production mode, strange to see it now so dead and deserted.
I’m trying to get involved as much as possible with pushing to keep some GA on the site and am hopeful that something may come of it I just hope it’s not in 5 years time when that perfectly kept runway has deteriorated and fell into ruin.
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ATC where the most helpful ATSU I’ve come across and was a real privilege to have the whole airfield and it’s services all to myself
Hope to be able to get back there before the 25th, though to get any better shots I’ll probably need a camera man … oops camera person : .
Flight through Manchester CTA was mostly uneventful and I even managed to get a direct track Woodford to Liverpool on the way back, well you don’t get if you don’t ask.
Was rather interesting being downwind at Woodford and seeing the Manchester final approach so close though it hasn’t shown up on the video mostly due to the haze layer.
Was nice to be back at Woodford been a number of years since I was working there when it was in full production mode, strange to see it now so dead and deserted.
I’m trying to get involved as much as possible with pushing to keep some GA on the site and am hopeful that something may come of it I just hope it’s not in 5 years time when that perfectly kept runway has deteriorated and fell into ruin.
Regards
Ian
Last edited by igarratt; 4th Aug 2011 at 15:51.
Does Woodford close on 25-Aug?
I see the various NOTAMS all have end date 25th, but if it was confirmed to close then I would have expected to see a NOTAM from 20110825 to PERM saying "AD CLOSED".
Also I seem to recall dates of end-year and Feb-2012.
Anyone have kosher knowledge of the true picture?
I see the various NOTAMS all have end date 25th, but if it was confirmed to close then I would have expected to see a NOTAM from 20110825 to PERM saying "AD CLOSED".
Also I seem to recall dates of end-year and Feb-2012.
Anyone have kosher knowledge of the true picture?
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Fantastic photos! I've just looked at my chart and seen how close Woodford is to Manchester airport itself. Must have been good fun passing over an airport such as that.
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Yep that was I !
I too did my first circuit there way back when, was perfectly placed as I learnt to fly at manchester back when they welcomed the tidlers !
Nothing like being chased by dragonair cargo 747 while on the way to the hold
Your pics look great I so need a better camera !
I too did my first circuit there way back when, was perfectly placed as I learnt to fly at manchester back when they welcomed the tidlers !
Nothing like being chased by dragonair cargo 747 while on the way to the hold
Your pics look great I so need a better camera !
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I wanted to go, do a few circiuts and land. However, as someone had taken photos, despite the no photo rule, and posted them on the net, I was not allowed!
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I was all set to go in there today in our Chippy. Phoned ATC on Tuesday and they said it should be OK, touch and goes only, but re-check today (the last day of operation). They didn't mention a 'no photo' rule and indeed I'd intended to take some had I gone in today.
As it happens events overtook me and I was unable to fly today due other commitments.
Were they still allowing T&Gs? Did anyone go in there today?
As it happens events overtook me and I was unable to fly today due other commitments.
Were they still allowing T&Gs? Did anyone go in there today?
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woodford what next
I've heard some positive stories, some involving a certain FTO that is already at woodford and will be staying there long term.
From what I understand in regard to BAE there is very little chance that while they still own the property they will permit any ops to go on, I gather this is all down to liability and bae not wanting to take any risks.
My personal hope is that 'someone' will purchase the land, either the whole site to sell it off in bits of just the airfield and then lease it out.
There are a number of us that if this was proposed have the skills knowledge, finances and time to run a successful airfield and flying school but sadly not the finances to buy the site.
It would be great if this could happen sooner rather than later, based on the fact that we dont want to place to go to ruin but there is a long winded public consultation and planning process that mcr city council is running and the expected date to even get a firm decision on whats going to happen on the site is not due until late 2012.
If I should get any more info or developments I'll post them on this thread and/or if anyone has any ideas or possible investors that are interested in a GA solution feel free to drop me a PM
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From what I understand in regard to BAE there is very little chance that while they still own the property they will permit any ops to go on, I gather this is all down to liability and bae not wanting to take any risks.
My personal hope is that 'someone' will purchase the land, either the whole site to sell it off in bits of just the airfield and then lease it out.
There are a number of us that if this was proposed have the skills knowledge, finances and time to run a successful airfield and flying school but sadly not the finances to buy the site.
It would be great if this could happen sooner rather than later, based on the fact that we dont want to place to go to ruin but there is a long winded public consultation and planning process that mcr city council is running and the expected date to even get a firm decision on whats going to happen on the site is not due until late 2012.
If I should get any more info or developments I'll post them on this thread and/or if anyone has any ideas or possible investors that are interested in a GA solution feel free to drop me a PM
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QUOTE ... "It would be great if this could happen sooner rather than later, based on the fact that we dont want to place to go to ruin but there is a long winded public consultation and planning process that mcr city council is running and the expected date to even get a firm decision on whats going to happen on the site is not due until late 2012."
Sorry I don't meant to be pedantic but this is nothing to do with Mrc city Council, this is the link to the consultation document with regards to the future of the site ..
Future Woodford | Woodford Aerodrome - its past, present and future
I am a local resident, about 3 miles from my front door to the main gate at Woodford, I'm a life long aviation nutcase, I first visited the site in the early 70's, I currently work in the aviation fuel industry. as much as I would love to see something retained from the demise of the Woodford site I really can't see that happening in the current harsh reality of the economic climate we are living in.
Given the historic links to aviation icons such as the Lancaster Vulcan and more recently the Nimrod, it seems quite incredible that we should let these links with the past disappear, but in the harsh reality of today's economic climate there is no financially viable option to save and preserve any part of this iconic contribution to our aviation history. That is such a shame when you think of the millons that have been raised to keep one Vulcan flying; if the plan had been to leave a serviceable Vulcan to the public in the first place then it would have been so much easier to keep one airborne; but it wasn't thought of at the time.
The same is true now, it would cost to try and keep the runway out of the developers hands, but there is no cash to do that right now .... but in years to come someone might think that the preservation of at least part of Woodford would be a worthy cause; but it'll cost ten times more then than now ...
The current problem is that GA in the UK is on its backside, it is tough enough for existing operations to survive form day to day, the thought that anyone has the time (and certainly the money) to be forward thinking seems like something of a pipe dream ..
I sincerely wish that was not the case ... but I know form what I see at work every day ... to preserve any part of Woodford is going to be a monumental struggle ... I'm sure I'm like many others ... I have time and enthusiasm to offer but I don't have a bottomless pit of cash which I think is the most important aspect of preserving any future aspect of Woodford
Sorry I don't meant to be pedantic but this is nothing to do with Mrc city Council, this is the link to the consultation document with regards to the future of the site ..
Future Woodford | Woodford Aerodrome - its past, present and future
I am a local resident, about 3 miles from my front door to the main gate at Woodford, I'm a life long aviation nutcase, I first visited the site in the early 70's, I currently work in the aviation fuel industry. as much as I would love to see something retained from the demise of the Woodford site I really can't see that happening in the current harsh reality of the economic climate we are living in.
Given the historic links to aviation icons such as the Lancaster Vulcan and more recently the Nimrod, it seems quite incredible that we should let these links with the past disappear, but in the harsh reality of today's economic climate there is no financially viable option to save and preserve any part of this iconic contribution to our aviation history. That is such a shame when you think of the millons that have been raised to keep one Vulcan flying; if the plan had been to leave a serviceable Vulcan to the public in the first place then it would have been so much easier to keep one airborne; but it wasn't thought of at the time.
The same is true now, it would cost to try and keep the runway out of the developers hands, but there is no cash to do that right now .... but in years to come someone might think that the preservation of at least part of Woodford would be a worthy cause; but it'll cost ten times more then than now ...
The current problem is that GA in the UK is on its backside, it is tough enough for existing operations to survive form day to day, the thought that anyone has the time (and certainly the money) to be forward thinking seems like something of a pipe dream ..
I sincerely wish that was not the case ... but I know form what I see at work every day ... to preserve any part of Woodford is going to be a monumental struggle ... I'm sure I'm like many others ... I have time and enthusiasm to offer but I don't have a bottomless pit of cash which I think is the most important aspect of preserving any future aspect of Woodford
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avturboy, I agree with what you say. To save the runway for business and recreational GA requires vision. The real estate is worth far more as development land than as an airfield, but it's not as simple as that.
Consider high speed rail, as built extensively in most of mainland Europe and battling against nimbys (HS2) in UK; it will be unlikely to pay for itself though fares, but it will pay many times over in the incresed efficiency of business through increased rail capacity (currently overloaded). In other words, UK plc will reap the benfits in more jobs, more business, more prosperity.
The same applies to a GA business airfield in this region. London has many such airfields - Biggin Hill, Blackbush, White Waltham, Booker to name a few. Uniquely, the manchester / Liverpool connubation has only short, muddy, Barton, and anti-GA Manchester. Liverpool JL is too far from Manchester for business, and in any case is rapidly moving to the same anti-GA model as Manchester.
There is no other similar-sized connurbation in UK that lacks a business airfield. Here is a great opportunity to provide a catalyst for the economic growth of the Manchester / Liverpool corridor. Who could step in and make it happen?
Consider high speed rail, as built extensively in most of mainland Europe and battling against nimbys (HS2) in UK; it will be unlikely to pay for itself though fares, but it will pay many times over in the incresed efficiency of business through increased rail capacity (currently overloaded). In other words, UK plc will reap the benfits in more jobs, more business, more prosperity.
The same applies to a GA business airfield in this region. London has many such airfields - Biggin Hill, Blackbush, White Waltham, Booker to name a few. Uniquely, the manchester / Liverpool connubation has only short, muddy, Barton, and anti-GA Manchester. Liverpool JL is too far from Manchester for business, and in any case is rapidly moving to the same anti-GA model as Manchester.
There is no other similar-sized connurbation in UK that lacks a business airfield. Here is a great opportunity to provide a catalyst for the economic growth of the Manchester / Liverpool corridor. Who could step in and make it happen?
