Tiger Moth Crash
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Step on those particular points, I agree with you. Any novice pilot contemplating any aerobatic manoeuvre without any form of instruction is foolish, but we are largely digressing off the thread subject now.
This pilot DID have previous aerobatic instruction. This pilot did NOT intentionally start to perform a spinning aerobatic manoeuvre with his passenger. He had previously looped earlier in the day because he had done it before, had competent previous instruction and he knew how to do a loop. The regs here are different to yours.
This pilot DID have previous aerobatic instruction. This pilot did NOT intentionally start to perform a spinning aerobatic manoeuvre with his passenger. He had previously looped earlier in the day because he had done it before, had competent previous instruction and he knew how to do a loop. The regs here are different to yours.
This pilot DID have previous aerobatic instruction. This pilot did NOT intentionally start to perform a spinning aerobatic manoeuvre with his passenger. He had previously looped earlier in the day because he had done it before, had competent previous instruction and he knew how to do a loop. The regs here are different to yours.
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Between 17 - 20ish hours over 30+ years simply because I personally do not like aerobatics. Flying is dangerous enough without opening the envelope further IMHO. Each to there own.
But I'm still curious BPF, how my aerobatic experience alters or assists your dilemma of not being able to assist the British Judicial system with your expert knowledge, which by all accounts we should have been eternally grateful for.
But I'm still curious BPF, how my aerobatic experience alters or assists your dilemma of not being able to assist the British Judicial system with your expert knowledge, which by all accounts we should have been eternally grateful for.
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in my previos post in no way was I questioning the judges summing up.
The a/c I fly was the 'model' visited by the two juries for demonstration to them of the various features of the a/c and by the cps prior to the initiating the prosecution to review various matters including potential control restrictions due to the size of the front seat passenger. These I think were significant and I thought the AAIB report was pretty damning but was fairly baffled as to what a prosecution was likely to achieve.
I was impressed by the attention paid by the second jury in particular and the thoughtfulness of some of their questions at the time. Clearly there was convincing evidence brought by the defence that lead to the acquittal. I would have found it valuable to have some summary of what this was and in particular how the judge summed all this up. I think it is a shame that this is not generally available
The a/c I fly was the 'model' visited by the two juries for demonstration to them of the various features of the a/c and by the cps prior to the initiating the prosecution to review various matters including potential control restrictions due to the size of the front seat passenger. These I think were significant and I thought the AAIB report was pretty damning but was fairly baffled as to what a prosecution was likely to achieve.
I was impressed by the attention paid by the second jury in particular and the thoughtfulness of some of their questions at the time. Clearly there was convincing evidence brought by the defence that lead to the acquittal. I would have found it valuable to have some summary of what this was and in particular how the judge summed all this up. I think it is a shame that this is not generally available
Between 17 - 20ish hours over 30+ years simply because I personally do not like aerobatics. Flying is dangerous enough without opening the envelope further IMHO. Each to there own.
But I'm still curious BPF, how my aerobatic experience alters or assists your dilemma of not being able to assist the British Judicial system with your expert knowledge, which by all accounts we should have been eternally grateful for.
But I'm still curious BPF, how my aerobatic experience alters or assists your dilemma of not being able to assist the British Judicial system with your expert knowledge, which by all accounts we should have been eternally grateful for.
Your characterization of the accident pilots earlier flight is as follows
That is not only my opinion, but also that of several experienced aerobatic pilots I reached out to in order to ask their opinion of the suitability of the "training" the accident pilot received prior to carrying out low level aerobatics with a passenger.
I raise this specifically because I think it would be very unfortunate if any reader took away your uninformed and incorrect assessment of the minimal training he received as constituting sufficient training to conduct any aerobatic maneuver on his own, let alone fly the flight profile he performed on that first flight.
Aerobatics is great fun and an enormous confidence builder for all pilots, especially relatively low time ones. However solo aerobatics should only be undertaken after a proper course of instruction by a qualified aerobatic instructor. That instruction will not only teach you how to perform aerobatic maneuvers correctly, but will also prepare you to deal with maneuvers gone bad and how to deal with aircraft malfunctions while performing aerobatics.
Aerobatics with a passenger brings additional responsibilities including a careful cockpit briefing with special care to ensure that nothing the passenger does could cause a flight safety issue.
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I am sorry that you found my post uncivil. I had actually toned it down. That said, I was actually responding to your overall statements, dogmatic and condescending views of the pilot with your added inability of being unable to retain basic information posted here.
Whilst you incorrectly believe that I am unqualified to state an opinion on this matter, my submission would be the total reverse. I have the ability to comprehend the evidence whereas on the other hand you are still not getting it even with assistance from many here. That may just be deliberate ignorance on your own part, I don't know?
The only unfortunate part I see here is readers taking away what you have said in the strongest terms imaginable. The facts remain, this pilot had received previous competent instruction. That was the evidence. This pilot had previously and successfully looped the Tiger Moth. That was the evidence. I hope you are now with me up to here.
I think that you are now trying to tell us that you and your aerobatic flying colleagues are endorsing dual aerobatic flying instruction before going out and attempting to perform aerobatic flight with or without a passenger. No sh*t sherlock. Really.
Believe it or not, experienced aerobatic instructors are still screwing aircraft into the deck. Great fun eh. Whatever floats your boat.
However, I am still a great advocate of spin awareness going back in to the ppl.
I am sorry that you found my post uncivil. I had actually toned it down. That said, I was actually responding to your overall statements, dogmatic and condescending views of the pilot with your added inability of being unable to retain basic information posted here.
Whilst you incorrectly believe that I am unqualified to state an opinion on this matter, my submission would be the total reverse. I have the ability to comprehend the evidence whereas on the other hand you are still not getting it even with assistance from many here. That may just be deliberate ignorance on your own part, I don't know?
The only unfortunate part I see here is readers taking away what you have said in the strongest terms imaginable. The facts remain, this pilot had received previous competent instruction. That was the evidence. This pilot had previously and successfully looped the Tiger Moth. That was the evidence. I hope you are now with me up to here.
I think that you are now trying to tell us that you and your aerobatic flying colleagues are endorsing dual aerobatic flying instruction before going out and attempting to perform aerobatic flight with or without a passenger. No sh*t sherlock. Really.
Believe it or not, experienced aerobatic instructors are still screwing aircraft into the deck. Great fun eh. Whatever floats your boat.
However, I am still a great advocate of spin awareness going back in to the ppl.
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This thread seems no longer to be serving a purpose other than as a vehicle for increasingly personal bickering.
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