How to calculate top speed of an aircraft
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How to calculate top speed of an aircraft
I have been trying to figure out (if even possible) how to calculate top speed of an aircraft if I know these:
MTOW weight = W = 220 kg
wing area S = 7.5 m^2
wing profile = Gottingen 533 GOE 533 AIRFOIL (goe533-il)
engine power = P = 20 Kw
propeller efficiency = H (eta) = 0.75
air density = p (rho) =1.056 kg/m^2
I pulled those values "from the hat"
If you are talented with this kind of stuff, could you show me step by step with those values how that kind of calculation should be done.
MTOW weight = W = 220 kg
wing area S = 7.5 m^2
wing profile = Gottingen 533 GOE 533 AIRFOIL (goe533-il)
engine power = P = 20 Kw
propeller efficiency = H (eta) = 0.75
air density = p (rho) =1.056 kg/m^2
I pulled those values "from the hat"
If you are talented with this kind of stuff, could you show me step by step with those values how that kind of calculation should be done.
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There is a fair bit of info missing to do it accurately, but there are also quite a few empirical 'guesstimates' you should be able to use to give you a ROM estimate.
I'd suggest you pick up a copy of - it's very well presented and will help you answer questions like this one - and of similar ilk.
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I'd suggest you pick up a copy of - it's very well presented and will help you answer questions like this one - and of similar ilk.
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Our OP needs a fair bit of education to work through stuff like this - you can't really do it by rote.
Anderson's "Introduction to Flight", might be a better primer before progressing to a more advanced text like Stinton.
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Anderson's "Introduction to Flight", might be a better primer before progressing to a more advanced text like Stinton.
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Get it in, climb to cruise altitude, firewall the throttle, look at ASI and adjust for temp and pressure. Sorted, anything more complicated than that would nip my hee'd
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At the "practical" smart-asses: just suppose the practice check has already been done, or will be done shortly; and T/S wants to compare the effective max. speed to the theoretical maximum - that would be a good indication of the quality of the design and the build.
Of course it is easier to play the smart-ass than to answer a question as asked.
Of course it is easier to play the smart-ass than to answer a question as asked.
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You got me! I admit it, I'm nowhere near smart enough to figure out the aerodynamic calcs. Best leave cracking the enigma of knowing prior to takeoff if I will be flying at 90 or 91.5 Kts to the likes of Orville Olieslagers or Jan Yeager!
Fair play to the OP for trying to figure it out though.
Fair play to the OP for trying to figure it out though.
I spent 2 years of maths and physics at school to get into university, then 3 years doing my undergraduate degree in aeronautical engineering - and could work this out. Not from the minimum amount of information provided, but from a more complete data set certainly.
To do so reasonably accurately would take me a while, and if I was preparing for the flight test programme on this little single seater described by the OP I'd do so, of course.
Basically
(1) Estimate the zero lift drag coefficient; I'd do that from ESDA data sheets and a drawing of the aeroplane.
(2) Estimate the oswald span efficiency factor, ditto + aerofoil data. That'll give me Cdi with AoA.
(3) Work out the approximate powerplant propulsive efficiency. I've not done that in 20+ years, but IIRC how to do that is well explained in this book 9780471078852: Introduction to Aircraft Performance, Selection and Design - AbeBooks - Hale, Francis J.: 0471078859
(4) Work out a drag polar at this mass
(5) Work out a thrust polar at this altitude and full power
(6) Co-incide the two, where the lines cross is Vh, or maximum achievable speed in level flight.
And don't forget to account for CAS/TAS variations with altitude, and engine power with density.
Ultimately however, Piperboy is right - you'll still want to go and fly it and see what really happens, as the above is only an estimate.
But it isn't one of those things that lend itself to a simple prescriptive "here's the order to do the sums".
But, there's nothing wrong with self education. Here's the order I'd go through the books.
Stinton is a superb book (and he was a superb man), but actually if you want an introduction to the very basics of aircraft configuration design, I'd start with this.
Then progress to Stinton (which I still think is better than Raymer's more advanced books, but Raymer's initial book is a brilliant explanation of the general process).
However, these last two are design books, not necessarily essential for understanding performance of an existing design.
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To do so reasonably accurately would take me a while, and if I was preparing for the flight test programme on this little single seater described by the OP I'd do so, of course.
Basically
(1) Estimate the zero lift drag coefficient; I'd do that from ESDA data sheets and a drawing of the aeroplane.
(2) Estimate the oswald span efficiency factor, ditto + aerofoil data. That'll give me Cdi with AoA.
(3) Work out the approximate powerplant propulsive efficiency. I've not done that in 20+ years, but IIRC how to do that is well explained in this book 9780471078852: Introduction to Aircraft Performance, Selection and Design - AbeBooks - Hale, Francis J.: 0471078859
(4) Work out a drag polar at this mass
(5) Work out a thrust polar at this altitude and full power
(6) Co-incide the two, where the lines cross is Vh, or maximum achievable speed in level flight.
And don't forget to account for CAS/TAS variations with altitude, and engine power with density.
Ultimately however, Piperboy is right - you'll still want to go and fly it and see what really happens, as the above is only an estimate.
But it isn't one of those things that lend itself to a simple prescriptive "here's the order to do the sums".
But, there's nothing wrong with self education. Here's the order I'd go through the books.
Stinton is a superb book (and he was a superb man), but actually if you want an introduction to the very basics of aircraft configuration design, I'd start with this.
Then progress to Stinton (which I still think is better than Raymer's more advanced books, but Raymer's initial book is a brilliant explanation of the general process).
However, these last two are design books, not necessarily essential for understanding performance of an existing design.
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how to calculate top speed of an aircraft if I know these:
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This here will do it for you druine.
In Appendix A - 2 Lecture 36 are example calculations for the maximum speed of a PA-28.
You'll need a bigger hat though, you haven't got enough data right now!
In Appendix A - 2 Lecture 36 are example calculations for the maximum speed of a PA-28.
You'll need a bigger hat though, you haven't got enough data right now!
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Clearly these are not enough. The most obvious missing item is some drag value, something that will account for the shape of the fuselage/empannage, in other words aerodynamic properties of the airplane as a whole. MTOW and wing profile aren't enough
I am not a mathematician but there are so many variables its is surely a fairly pointless exercise and one which even the manufacturers get wrong.
i am thinking of the original claims of the diamond twin Star which were way off the claimed performance.
Even two PA28s will be different as power and drag are so variable. How good is the engine, the prop? Is the aircraft rigged the same? are there bugs or dirt on the airframe? are there dents on the airframe and a whole lot of other factors?
Pilot technique? Trimming onto the step?
weather conditions, temperature altitude etc
what are you trying too achieve?
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It's all here. Simple really. http://naca.central.cranfield.ac.uk/...report-408.pdf
For my part, I'm with piperboy. Of course if you want to make a plane go as fast as you can, you make the cross-sectional area small, reduce the drag coefficient, and all that stuff, but you still won't know how fast it will REALLY go until you jump in and fly it.
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but you still won't know how fast it will REALLY go until you jump in and fly it.
A retired friend of mine was the lead aerodynamicist for deHavilland Canada. He told me that they had calculated the cruise speeds for the Dash 8-100 to within 2 knots, before it ever flew (and their speeds actually were within the 2 knots). But there was a lot of brain power being applied to that....
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Even two PA28s will be different as power and drag are so variable. How good is the engine, the prop?
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I wonder whether it's easier to predict the parameters for a jet than a propeller driven aircraft. I can imagine that the airflow might be a lot more straightforward in the former.
It is.
In aircraft performance terms, you model a jet engine as producing thrust, whilst a piston engine produces power - which then goes through a propeller which has speed dependent efficiency.
If you really want a headache with the maths, try modelling a turboprop - it's both at once.
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In aircraft performance terms, you model a jet engine as producing thrust, whilst a piston engine produces power - which then goes through a propeller which has speed dependent efficiency.
If you really want a headache with the maths, try modelling a turboprop - it's both at once.
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