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Old 18th Aug 2010, 10:13
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Cost of landing in Holland

I am taking a SEP A/C to Holland from UK on a pleasure flight, and have ben quoted up to nearly 200 Euro for all charges in Rotterdam,and similar in Amsterdam. Anyone know another way round this? Landing is cheap its the handling etc. I dont want to go as far North as Texel etc.
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Old 18th Aug 2010, 12:08
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Lelystad Airport - Very GA friendly, and within a short train ride from Amsterdam

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Old 18th Aug 2010, 12:53
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Where do you want to go in Holland?

If you're just looking for any ol' EH airfield to have in your logbook, EHMZ is probably the closest to the UK and rather cheap.

If you want to visit Amsterdam, the easiest/cheapest is probably EHLE. EHHV is physically closer to Amsterdam and slightly cheaper but it's got arguably more difficult circuit procedures, is harder to find and is rather short-ish grass with trees at all ends. Plus the public transport journey from EHHV to Amsterdam is more complicated and only marginally shorter than from EHLE.

If you want to visit Rotterdam in a light single, the Vliegclub Rotterdam occasionally does handling too for visiting pilots. That should bring the total cost down from 200 euros to maybe 45 euro or so. (20 landing, 25 handling)

On the other hand - don't rule out Schiphol straight away. Yes, you won't be left with much change of 300 euros after all the bills have been paid, but you get the unique experience of landing at the third (?) largest airport in Europe. You will most likely land at 04/22, so you're normally not physically mixing with the big iron, but the tower frequency for 04/22 also handles most of the other runways. Of which at least one and possibly as much as three are in simultaneous use. It's a great experience. (Do note that Schiphol does not supply Avgas 100LL anymore though.)
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Old 18th Aug 2010, 13:12
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To continue on Backpacker's reaction: where exactly do you wish to go? EHMZ still seems expensive from a Belgian point of view, wasn't the landing fee 20 euro's or so? You may find several Belgian aerodromes with at least the same level of service yet less expensive.
I think I can safely say that the Netherlands is not really a friendly place to G/A.
OTOH I wonder what makes you consider such main airports like EHAM and EHRD for a SEP. Main airports are never cheap, nor are they really convenient.
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Old 18th Aug 2010, 13:35
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CHeers GAxor, Backpacker and Jan,

I am going to Rotterdam Centrum. I will look at the Belgian aspect. Have contacted Flying club in R'dam nothing back as yet. Dont want grass either as our A/C doesnt like grass too much especially if its a bit soggy, and being below sea level I guess there is a good chance of that !!!!
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Old 18th Aug 2010, 15:22
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If hard runway is a requirement you could look into EHSE Seppe - very close to the motorway, smooth ride to Rotterdam.
Or only a few km further is EBBT Brasschaat, a small club aerodrome. Be warned though against the runway orientation, cross to prevailing winds; plus lots of turbulence with all those woods around. And, at both places, do check availability of customs facilities. Meseemeth there's none in EBBT. Perhaps intermediate stop in LFAC for clearing customs?
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Old 18th Aug 2010, 16:41
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The desk staff at Rotterdam Flying Club are lovely, and always very helpful, but can be a little unreliable at replying to email. I suggest phoning, rather than emailing, if you really need a reply!
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Old 18th Aug 2010, 17:36
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Have a look at the follow site: Airport Directory - VFR Planner
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Old 21st Aug 2010, 05:59
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Rotterdam sorted

All sorted at a fraction of the cost. RFC very helpful. Thanks to all.

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Old 21st Aug 2010, 15:24
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Take plenty of funds for fuel!
At Lelystad last month Avgas 2.65 litre
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Old 21st Aug 2010, 15:31
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One good thing: The take off is free!
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Old 21st Aug 2010, 19:10
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Have you got the mandatory ELT fitted? That will add another 1000 to the bill.
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Old 22nd Aug 2010, 09:54
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Holland

I have been from UK to Holland and return VFR, twice in last six weeks.
I have a PLB no ELT and no Mode S only Mode C.
No problems from ATC, although I suppose one could be ramp checked.
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Old 22nd Aug 2010, 13:26
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All sorted at a fraction of the cost. RFC very helpful. Thanks to all.
Good to hear that not everyone is frightened away. Although we have no hangarage and not a lot of parking space, our flying club welcomes the occasional visitor.
It is important to get everything sorted with them so you are expected. Last week an unfortunate visitor from EHHV arrived and I heard this exchange:
ATC: PXX, you are cleared to land.
PH-XXX: Cleared to land, PXX.
ATC: PXX, do you have a handling agent?
PXX: uh, say again?
ATC: Do you have a handling agent?
PXX: handling agent is, ah, [name of aircraft owner]
ATC: PXX, negative, what is your handling agent at Rotterdam Airport? For landing here, you have to appoint a handling agent.
PXX: uh, what handling agents do you have?
(by this time the aircraft was on final)
ATC: PXX, we have Jetcenter and AviaPartners. Which one do you want to use sir?
PXX: uh, I'll take AviaPartners.

PH-XXX never said anything about visiting one of the two flying clubs. ATC never mentioned the exorbitant charges of the handling agents. The poor chap never had a chance; I wonder what his face looked like when he got the bill.

cessnapete, transponder below 1200' can be VFR mode C. As for the ELT, I've never seen a ramp check where the checking person knew what an ELT was, let alone tell the difference between ELT types. You are more likely to get checked for VAT paid, current insurance, etc.
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Old 22nd Aug 2010, 14:04
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Nazgulair,
If your PH-XXX is not to be envied, couldn't this have been avoided by correctly planning the flight and getting information like O/P Slipway did? I suppose the AIP must make some mention?
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Old 22nd Aug 2010, 15:32
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The AIP states:
For security reasons Rotterdam Airport is PPR for all general aviation that does not have its homebase on the aerodrome. Permission for visiting aircraft is only granted in case of confirmed handling from KLM Jet Center or Aviapartner (see EHRD AD 2.4 for contact information).
So yes, flight preparation could have saved PH-XXX's pilot some grief.

The AIP says nothing about the unwritten rule that guests of the flying clubs are given permission to use the airfield -- provided that they comply with the security measures. This might require some further preparation in itself, because the interplay between the controlling agencies Havendienst (Operations), Kon. Marechaussee (immigration), Douane (Customs) and Airport Security is sometimes confusing. The clubs will be more than happy to help.

Slipway, have a good flight!
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Old 22nd Aug 2010, 16:10
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AVGAS is 2.59 Euros at Midden Zeeland. Thats about 2.16/litre.

Wasn't there some way to get cheaper fuel if you were a training flight or departing from Holland?
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Old 22nd Aug 2010, 16:18
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So yes, flight preparation could have saved PH-XXX's pilot some grief.
But, if I read you correctly, "flight preparation" includes disbelieving one's own national AIP, or at the very least leaving some margin for its being incomplete. Which only confirms my conclusion to avoid NL airspace whenever possible.
Holland certainly is a nice country - but I'm afraid they made their own skies less blue than some others - not least those to the South.
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Old 22nd Aug 2010, 17:06
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Lelystad had the most expensive avgas I have ever had - this side of LTBH in Turkey

Avoiding mandatory handling by taxiing to a maintenance facility or an aeroclub is standard procedure, but you need to arrange it with the said organisation beforehand.

You also need to make sure they do pay the airport on your behalf. There is a certain "business" at Norwich which last time I went there evidently had difficulties in passing over my money to the airport, and the airport eventually chased me for the (much larger) landing fee. Same happens at Bournemouth... but there I was told by the handling agent that I must go via him even if I am visiting somebody.
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Old 22nd Aug 2010, 20:34
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The Netherlands being so close in range from my homebase, I only visited Teuge and EHMZ in the years I fly. Way too expensive country for small aircraft. EHMZ is still nice, but that's so close the landing fees are almost equal to the trip costs.
Maybe we are a bit spoiled with so many "no fees" airports in Belgium and France, but mandatory handling for a Cessna is like theft. Altough I think it's going to be the standard for more airfields.
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