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Old 26th Dec 2009, 20:01
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The only thing that can cause a prop overspeed is a failure of both governors within the CSU.  

Not quite true, lose of pressure (Nitrogen/air) in the prop dome will cause and over speed as well
But if you lose the pressure in the dom the prop. is out of control and you can't feather the prop.
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Six months is a long while between ditching and recovery plus there is likely to be quite a bit of recovery damage, it will be very interesting to see what is found wrong with the aircraft.
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How can one have an uncontrollable overspeed condition if the throttle and mixture are both working and the engine power generation can be totally shut off?
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Old 20th Oct 2010, 19:21
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Originally Posted by IO540
How can one have an uncontrollable overspeed condition if the throttle and mixture are both working and the engine power generation can be totally shut off?
My understanding is one must slow the aircraft down to the point where the RPM on the fine stops is within the target range in governor failure modes such as described. There is no indication in the narrative this was attempted.
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Old 20th Oct 2010, 20:04
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If there is enough airflow (speed) to overspeed a prop which is against its fine pitch stop, with the throttle shut, then surely shutting down that engine is not going to make much of an additional improvement.

As you say, one needs to slow down a bit.
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Prop runaway: options

Easy to judge from the couch and not being in danger:
vyse and zero thrust on the engine will keep the prop well below max. RPM when the propeller is at it's most fine position with no pressure against oil pressure.
Some reduced positive thrust will be possible at blue line with max. RPM.

Shutting down the engine doesn't help at all, because the propeller continues windmilling. You can't feather a runaway prop unless cutting oil pressure and having left some opposing pressure (nitrogen or spring). Windmilling engine creates its own oil pressure.

Even a very lightly loaded TwinCo will hardly hold 3000 ft with a windmilling prop.

These thoughts are no judgements for the decissions on this flight, but should help others in a similar case.

Regards and safe flying,
Andi
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