Guernsey take off charge
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I have to say that I'm with the pro-Guernsey camp here. With fuel at £0.836 pl (with an AOPA card) and £10 for a landing fee at a busy well equipped regional airport, it seems like good value to me - however the £10 is apportioned. As Deng Xhio Ping once said of the cultural paradox inherent with Hong Kong, "who cares what colour the cat is, just so long as it catches mice?"
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Perhaps if you guy's feel strongly enough about this you could start a campaign to introduce take off fees at all UK airports
In fact they can also introduce fees for walking to my aircraft and for talking to the airfield cat - provided that the overall fee is reasonable.
Almost everyone on here will, I should imagine be supremely indifferent as to WHAT they are charged for. They are much more interested in HOW MUCH they are charged in total and I really don't resent the tenner than I paid when I was last there.
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Originally Posted by belowradar
Always ready to get heated up and slag off somebody for expressing an opinion. I think that anywhere that charges a take off fee as well as a landing fee is having a laugh. No hidden agenda so hope the conspirator theory gets squashed.
Sorry, I don't see your logic or how you think you even have a gripe? Total cost is all that matters, however it is dressed up.
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If the breakdown of the fees is immaterial then why not add an "I'm a complete idiot so please charge me double" fee ?
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I think the CI are good value so don't have a problem with the fee. I reckon it must be an accounting thing though, and so long as we can work out what our "usage" fee is going to be before we get there then it doesn't really matter what they call it.
Still no problems with the breakdown of my Edinburgh bill...something like £14.00 CAA navigation charge, £30 landing fee, £50 handling fee (see the upward trend
)....but they did gave us free takeoffs 
Still no problems with the breakdown of my Edinburgh bill...something like £14.00 CAA navigation charge, £30 landing fee, £50 handling fee (see the upward trend
)....but they did gave us free takeoffs
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As you say belowradar "typical PPruners" - these forums are interesting to read but frequently answers contain all the logic of a before closing time discussion in the pub. In this case you started with such nonsense and responded to some decent pragmatic answers with personal responses - I would like to ask what is so abhorrent in a take off charge as opposed to a landing charge - after all take off is optional -
suppose it was custom and practice for all the years of GAflying to make charges for t/O as opposed to landing - where is the great principle? (forget the silly arguments about throwing change out of the window - we live in an economic world unique in history in its ability to remote pay) I'm trying to avoid being pragmatic as many common sense responders have been who say it is the total fee which counts (which is really the bottom line because I''d really like to understand why a take off fee is so iniquitous - do you simply think you're getting charged twice? in which case look at the total fee. final questions- is a take off charge which makes the total charge come to less than many other airfields so bad as to be worth denigrating a very good airfield? and where do you stand on mandatory handling fees ? do they rank lower in the iniquity scale? BTW I love your response 'my opinions are my opinions and everyone else can like it or lump it' (my paraphrase) but surely these forums are about listening to everyone,keeping an open mind and allowing yoursself to be persuaded rather than expecting everyone to fall in line behind your view. that's why I'd like to know why you think t/o fees are so evil
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suppose it was custom and practice for all the years of GAflying to make charges for t/O as opposed to landing - where is the great principle? (forget the silly arguments about throwing change out of the window - we live in an economic world unique in history in its ability to remote pay) I'm trying to avoid being pragmatic as many common sense responders have been who say it is the total fee which counts (which is really the bottom line because I''d really like to understand why a take off fee is so iniquitous - do you simply think you're getting charged twice? in which case look at the total fee. final questions- is a take off charge which makes the total charge come to less than many other airfields so bad as to be worth denigrating a very good airfield? and where do you stand on mandatory handling fees ? do they rank lower in the iniquity scale? BTW I love your response 'my opinions are my opinions and everyone else can like it or lump it' (my paraphrase) but surely these forums are about listening to everyone,keeping an open mind and allowing yoursself to be persuaded rather than expecting everyone to fall in line behind your view. that's why I'd like to know why you think t/o fees are so evil
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Of the 10 airfields I have flown to in the last month, only one has come in at £10, and that was a tiny grass strip. All the others were more, even in a tiny 2 seat tomahawk.
Albeit, I've been to some commercial airports, such as Exeter charging £20, and Manston charging £14, Guernsey still offers the same services for £10
I would love to fly to Guernsey, and on the basis of the thread may do this week if the weather improves. £10 for the sort of service spoken of on this thread sounds a bargain, however it is broken down.
Albeit, I've been to some commercial airports, such as Exeter charging £20, and Manston charging £14, Guernsey still offers the same services for £10
I would love to fly to Guernsey, and on the basis of the thread may do this week if the weather improves. £10 for the sort of service spoken of on this thread sounds a bargain, however it is broken down.
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What a lot of nonsense here ! It seems to me that the total cost is more important than the actual breakdown components. I fly in and out of guernsey a bit and did some IMC training there. The charges always strike me as very reasonable and fuel is cheap. The guys in ATC are among the most helpful and friendly I've ever met (unlike a certain man at Elstree !!) and they go out of their way to slot approaches with arriving and departing commercial traffic.
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I believe that we in the UK are programmed to expect to pay for just about everything. This conditioning means that we stop thinking about what we are being charged for and simply hand over the money willingly.
I don't feel that passionately about this subject to spend hours trying to change that national attitude (probably not possible).
My e-mail was to highlight the fact that they charge a take off fee which as I mentioned sounds daft to me. It looks like most Pruners are happy with this so fair enough. Heres hoping it stays at a nominal amount.
I believe that we in the UK are programmed to expect to pay for just about everything. This conditioning means that we stop thinking about what we are being charged for and simply hand over the money willingly.
I don't feel that passionately about this subject to spend hours trying to change that national attitude (probably not possible).
My e-mail was to highlight the fact that they charge a take off fee which as I mentioned sounds daft to me. It looks like most Pruners are happy with this so fair enough. Heres hoping it stays at a nominal amount.
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Ah now the non logic is mroe understandable. Perhaps if you'd started a thread on how UK local/central ov't and agencies are world genii in raising charges you might have a lot of support. (Morrisey the grumpy singer was on a tv interview recently and laconically complained about charges here in uk.. The interviewer took the cliche'd line and asked if like other pop stars he was a tax exile..He rounded on said interviewer and complained that UK was alone in world charging even for dustbin bags - he also implied most people were sheep and didn't notice or care)
However my point is that a take off charge by itself does not constitue a stealth charge. A handling fee is much more of a sneak charge for nothing as most light aircrafgt pilots handle themselves.
Finally you'd have a better chance to argue that a take off charge is a stealth price rise if you'd had an example from an airfield charging already £25 landing which added anothr £10 for take off.- so Guernsey wa a bad target
My final point is that though I agree with Morrisey - we have highest stealth charges inteh world - airport charges apart from handling - are not really such a conspiracy. It's all a matter of supply and demand as airports disaappear charges go up
I recall in my sailing days there was a revolution incharging for marinas in the early eightes. Prior to that like pilots today everyone moaned abou £500 for a30ft boat per year - A particular marina group quadruled charges overnight everyone else followed suit and £500 became £2000 now nearer £3k-$4k in Solent. whereas in France of course its still just a few groats - All the campaigns and magazine articles made no difference - it's supply and demand and a non interventionist politics, I'm afraid. My gut instinct tells me the same is likely to happen to airport fees here so enjoy £10 or even £20 fees while you can
However my point is that a take off charge by itself does not constitue a stealth charge. A handling fee is much more of a sneak charge for nothing as most light aircrafgt pilots handle themselves.
Finally you'd have a better chance to argue that a take off charge is a stealth price rise if you'd had an example from an airfield charging already £25 landing which added anothr £10 for take off.- so Guernsey wa a bad target
My final point is that though I agree with Morrisey - we have highest stealth charges inteh world - airport charges apart from handling - are not really such a conspiracy. It's all a matter of supply and demand as airports disaappear charges go up
I recall in my sailing days there was a revolution incharging for marinas in the early eightes. Prior to that like pilots today everyone moaned abou £500 for a30ft boat per year - A particular marina group quadruled charges overnight everyone else followed suit and £500 became £2000 now nearer £3k-$4k in Solent. whereas in France of course its still just a few groats - All the campaigns and magazine articles made no difference - it's supply and demand and a non interventionist politics, I'm afraid. My gut instinct tells me the same is likely to happen to airport fees here so enjoy £10 or even £20 fees while you can
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I will add it to my list of places to avoid
