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Why on earth are they driving on it?
Do they not know that tyre groves in the grass can flip an aircraft?
Walk up and down it and dig a heel in yes but to run a van up and down it is just plain stupid.
Do they not know that tyre groves in the grass can flip an aircraft?
Walk up and down it and dig a heel in yes but to run a van up and down it is just plain stupid.
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Because the Glenforsa Airfield manual produced by Tom Eddlestone says that you can drive on the runway at 30 mph, the manual also contains pictures of grass.
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Because the Glenforsa Airfield manual produced by Tom Eddlestone says that you can drive on the runway at 30 mph, the manual also contains pictures of grass.
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Trying to secure grass with 6" nails
Permitting road tyres on a grass runway never mind at 30mph.
Who is this clown and why is he in a "safety" position in an airport.
I hope any pilot that see's said vehicle on the runway MOR's/CHIRP's this fact and provides pictures then maybe we can get this stupidity stopped.
Could you imagine what would happen to you if you got caught on an Raf grass strip in a landy or car, a half hour session of waterboarding would been deemed getting off lightly. Never mind a truck.
And god help you at any of the gliding sites if you take a car onto the landing strip.
Or is it a planned set of actions to sabotage the place?
How about this for the manual
"The runway should be walked in normal footwear (shoes/boots) and the give of the turf assessed. Across the length of the runway 4 times 1m either side of the centre line and 1m in from the edges.
A firm feel with no give or moisture present should be reported as good with runway serviceable
A firm feel with morning dew which is expected to evaporate should also be reported as good runway serviceable.
If the ground is wet a heel strike should be made at 20 meter intervals. If the heel penetrates more than 2 cm this is an indication that the runway is unfit for use. This is for any part of the runway centre and edges.
Up to 2cm if the hole fills with water again this indicates the runway is unfit for use.
If the hole doesn't fill with water the runway should be reported as caution-soft.
If the centre of the runway is firm and the edges soft this is to be reported Centre firm, runway edges caution soft. If the centre is soft and the edges firm the runway is to be reported as soft caution.
If there has been no precipitation since the previous walk a visual inspection for damage and FOD is only required. "
Anyone else thing of anything else to add?
Permitting road tyres on a grass runway never mind at 30mph.
Who is this clown and why is he in a "safety" position in an airport.
I hope any pilot that see's said vehicle on the runway MOR's/CHIRP's this fact and provides pictures then maybe we can get this stupidity stopped.
Could you imagine what would happen to you if you got caught on an Raf grass strip in a landy or car, a half hour session of waterboarding would been deemed getting off lightly. Never mind a truck.
And god help you at any of the gliding sites if you take a car onto the landing strip.
Or is it a planned set of actions to sabotage the place?
How about this for the manual
"The runway should be walked in normal footwear (shoes/boots) and the give of the turf assessed. Across the length of the runway 4 times 1m either side of the centre line and 1m in from the edges.
A firm feel with no give or moisture present should be reported as good with runway serviceable
A firm feel with morning dew which is expected to evaporate should also be reported as good runway serviceable.
If the ground is wet a heel strike should be made at 20 meter intervals. If the heel penetrates more than 2 cm this is an indication that the runway is unfit for use. This is for any part of the runway centre and edges.
Up to 2cm if the hole fills with water again this indicates the runway is unfit for use.
If the hole doesn't fill with water the runway should be reported as caution-soft.
If the centre of the runway is firm and the edges soft this is to be reported Centre firm, runway edges caution soft. If the centre is soft and the edges firm the runway is to be reported as soft caution.
If there has been no precipitation since the previous walk a visual inspection for damage and FOD is only required. "
Anyone else thing of anything else to add?
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No, no, no MJ -- you'll never make a cooncil employee!
Remember these guys do not know what grass is - they need a picture.
Try this http://www.argyll-bute.gov.uk/modern...NSPECTIONS.pdf
The reason these people work for the cooncil is ..... where else could they work?
Remember these guys do not know what grass is - they need a picture.
Try this http://www.argyll-bute.gov.uk/modern...NSPECTIONS.pdf
The reason these people work for the cooncil is ..... where else could they work?
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Now we can see the inspecting instructions I take it back about being a clown.
That is not to bad although I would still say that the driving of road vehicles on the runway surface should be prohibited.
There is no requirement for it and nothing to be gain by doing it.
The tyres on an aircraft have a completely different load pattern from a car. So giving people the option of driving up and down the thing can only damage the surface for no useful demonstration of runway condition.
There is not much point of telling people to stop driving on it after the damage has been done by rutting.
That is not to bad although I would still say that the driving of road vehicles on the runway surface should be prohibited.
There is no requirement for it and nothing to be gain by doing it.
The tyres on an aircraft have a completely different load pattern from a car. So giving people the option of driving up and down the thing can only damage the surface for no useful demonstration of runway condition.
There is not much point of telling people to stop driving on it after the damage has been done by rutting.
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There is not much point of telling people to stop driving on it after the damage has been done by rutting.
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You sure about that, I would have thought just about any bit of grass whether wet or dry would have 2cm of give getting heeled.
If the heel penetrates more than 2 cm this is an indication that the runway is unfit for use. This is for any part of the runway centre and edges.
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Cooncils!
In my experience with auditing organisations it is almost always true that there is never just 'one thing wrong'. Once you dig down and find an incompetent or malfunctioning process you can usually scan along the organisation and find these things are endemic.
So it is with 'cooncils' a lot of the time. The lack of competence, over qualified staff seeking only to reduce their workload and cover their a$$es and no effective managment review or control are pretty general. The airport fiasco demonstrated the councillors belong in Trumpton, not local government - so this sort of nonsense comes as no surprise.
It is just such a shame that we are all somewhat reconcilled to the fact that councils are so wasteful and incompetent....
In my experience with auditing organisations it is almost always true that there is never just 'one thing wrong'. Once you dig down and find an incompetent or malfunctioning process you can usually scan along the organisation and find these things are endemic.
So it is with 'cooncils' a lot of the time. The lack of competence, over qualified staff seeking only to reduce their workload and cover their a$$es and no effective managment review or control are pretty general. The airport fiasco demonstrated the councillors belong in Trumpton, not local government - so this sort of nonsense comes as no surprise.
It is just such a shame that we are all somewhat reconcilled to the fact that councils are so wasteful and incompetent....
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According to this :
http://www.argyll-bute.gov.uk/modern...NSPECTIONS.pdf
According to DH the vehicle of choice is a crew cab tipper truck with 3 pax and a load of gear in the back.
After a whole hour of training, can these guys be expected know the difference between a Mooney and a C180 or a Cub and a Cirrus when it comes to deciding if the runway is operational or not?
WW
http://www.argyll-bute.gov.uk/modern...NSPECTIONS.pdf
If the ground is deemed as firm under foot, then a car sized vehicle may be driven on the runway at a speed of 30mph.
After a whole hour of training, can these guys be expected know the difference between a Mooney and a C180 or a Cub and a Cirrus when it comes to deciding if the runway is operational or not?
WW
So does this mean we now need to call Oban for PPR before going to Glenforsa?
I love the bit in the manual about clapping at the birds. That is bound to keep them at bay until the next inspection 24 hours later
I love the bit in the manual about clapping at the birds. That is bound to keep them at bay until the next inspection 24 hours later
I take it then, that the inspections are to determine whether, in the event of a pilot stuffing it in on the nosewheel hard enough to remove said wheel, the aircraft is likely to flip?
If that's the case, no grass strip is safe.
Reading the 172 pilot's version of events, he'd have wiped out the nose gear even if it had been tarmac.
If that's the case, no grass strip is safe.
Reading the 172 pilot's version of events, he'd have wiped out the nose gear even if it had been tarmac.
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Manse Brae, Lochgilphead, Argyll, PA31 8RD
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Dear Stakeholder
OBAN AIRPORT CONSULTATIVE COMMITTEE
ARGYLL AND THE ISLES AIR SERVICES
Argyll and Bute Council are keen to work with business stakeholders and the local community to inform and consult on developments and the air services operated out of Oban Airport.
I would therefore like to invite you to a meeting on the evening of 22 May 2013, which will be held in the Conference Room of the Scottish Association for Marine Science offices at 7pm.
The purpose of this meeting is to establish Oban Airport Consultative Committee and I would be grateful for your representation and input into this Committee. It is anticipated that the Consultative Committee will meet at least three times a year.
The objectives of the Committee will be
· To enable the airport operator, communities in the vicinity of the aerodrome, local business representatives, aerodrome users and other interested parties to exchange information and ideas.
· To allow the concerns of interested parties to be raised and taken into account by the airport operator, with a genuine desire to resolve any issues that may emerge.
· To compliment the legal framework within which the airport operates.
· To provide a structured forum for discussion to make recommendations to the airport operator.
· To promote understanding about aerodrome operations more widely through dissemination of relevant information.
· To monitor the potential for environmental impact of the airport within the local community.
· To promote open and honest dialogue between the airport and the local community.
· To protect and enhance the interests of the users of the airport.
· To promote and enhance business opportunities between the airport and the local community.
I would be grateful if you could confirm your attendance at the above and please don’t hesitate to contact myself should you require any further details.
Yours sincerely,
MOYA INGRAM
STRATEGIC TRANSPORTATION MANAGER
Manse Brae, Lochgilphead, Argyll, PA31 8RD
Tel:
(01546) 604190
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[email protected]
Website:
www.argyll-bute.gov.uk
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Moya Ingram
Our Ref:
800/01
Your Ref:
Date:
15/04/2013
Dear Stakeholder
OBAN AIRPORT CONSULTATIVE COMMITTEE
ARGYLL AND THE ISLES AIR SERVICES
Argyll and Bute Council are keen to work with business stakeholders and the local community to inform and consult on developments and the air services operated out of Oban Airport.
I would therefore like to invite you to a meeting on the evening of 22 May 2013, which will be held in the Conference Room of the Scottish Association for Marine Science offices at 7pm.
The purpose of this meeting is to establish Oban Airport Consultative Committee and I would be grateful for your representation and input into this Committee. It is anticipated that the Consultative Committee will meet at least three times a year.
The objectives of the Committee will be
· To enable the airport operator, communities in the vicinity of the aerodrome, local business representatives, aerodrome users and other interested parties to exchange information and ideas.
· To allow the concerns of interested parties to be raised and taken into account by the airport operator, with a genuine desire to resolve any issues that may emerge.
· To compliment the legal framework within which the airport operates.
· To provide a structured forum for discussion to make recommendations to the airport operator.
· To promote understanding about aerodrome operations more widely through dissemination of relevant information.
· To monitor the potential for environmental impact of the airport within the local community.
· To promote open and honest dialogue between the airport and the local community.
· To protect and enhance the interests of the users of the airport.
· To promote and enhance business opportunities between the airport and the local community.
I would be grateful if you could confirm your attendance at the above and please don’t hesitate to contact myself should you require any further details.
Yours sincerely,
MOYA INGRAM
STRATEGIC TRANSPORTATION MANAGER
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