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Old 1st Sep 2007, 11:43
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Carbon Emissions for Light Aircraft?

Hi All,

Numerous threads with calculations referring to A1 and gasoline but none substantiated by independent sources regarding the true environmental cost of flying light singles and twins... unless of course I've missed the right thread in my searches.

Does anybody know or use any specific links/companies when calculating their carbon footprint for their private use? Aircraft interested in: Seneca II & V, Cessna 340.

Much appreciated,

M-G
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Old 1st Sep 2007, 13:24
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Why bother the carbon emissions for GA as a whole are very small.

I am told that the total carbon emissions for UK GA in a year are the equivelent of 2 hours of traffic on the M25 in the morning rush.
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Grrr

STOP WITH THE CARBON FOOTPRINT BOLLOX .....PLEASE!!!!

It seems you cant turn on the box these days or read a paper without someone going on about our carbon footprints.

Im alive, I breath out carbon dioxide....as does every other living thing. Why does everyone talk of the carbon footprint. Carbon levels on our world will not change - just the form the carbon is in changes.

This constant harking about how bad everything is has made me decide Im going to get a big 4x4 and drive it and fly around in aeroplanes as much as I possibly can, while I still can....before its banned by tree huggers!!

If anyone wants to see pollution, and I mean real pollution they need to leave Europe and visit 3rd and 2nd world countries, as I have to do for work sometimes.


I had hoped the forum could remain carbon free.....pun intended!!

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skydriller,

Couldn't agree more. I recently bought a Porsche 928 V8 5-litre monster - to enjoy while I still can!

I pay my way at the fuel pumps - my Shell loyalty card is proving most worthwhile.

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I am with Saab on this this one.

You can take your footprint and shove it! Its yet another make everyone feel guilty tactic dreamed up by the greenies to get us all on push bikes, guess they better start building the road to New York.....

Hey and guess what, you can offset you carbon footprint by sending them cash...what a surprise!!!!!

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Used to be religion would make us feel guilty about a good shag.

Now it makes us feel guilty about playing with our toys...or in the case of the local paper recently, about quaffing one's favourite elixir because it has a "carbon footprint".

I wish these people would give us all a very large break...

On the other hand maybe we don't have to feel guilty about shagging anymore...
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Can't say I'm at all surprised at the response in some ways but nobody has actually answered the question. Sure the emissions from GA may indeed be very small but I would still like to be able to answer those "brain-washed" either way with the facts, good or bad.... And if someone could suggests a reliable source with figures relating to GA aircraft may be some of the scaremongering can truly be put to bed with more than just verbal frustration...

Kind regards,

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Old 1st Sep 2007, 23:26
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Moutain Goat,

Although I had to stick my tongue out to do the maths, I think it'll work out something like multiply your weight of fuel used by 3.1. A Seneca burns 20 usg/hr, so 20*6 = 120/2.2 = 54.54 * 3.1 = 169.1 kgs of CO2 per hour.

However, I agree with the previous views, its all a load of
 
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whilst its easy to target GA, for this latest fad,
look your only using your airplane for pure fun etc etc, i was told
when I pointed out, that a cruise liner, which is also used for pure fun, burns more fuel just getting out of dock than every single GA aircraft in the world put together, end of arguement
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There are ways of managing your personal carbon footprint without significant impact to aviation.

Just depends what type of carbon footprint you have....here's a picture of mine

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To the best of my knowledge there has been no rigorous study of the carbon impact of GA.

Maybe there should be, it would be interesting at-least. However, since whatever we emit is mostly in the lower troposphere outside of built up areas, it's of limited impact.

The big issue with the environmental effects of GA will almost certainly remain noise for the foreseeable.

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My TB20 does about 18MPG (UK miles, UK gallons) in cruise.

That is about 2x better than the average MPG of the stupid ridiculous and utterly pointless 4x4 "bus" I see doing the school run and, as J Clarkson once remarked, the nearest they get to offroad is parking on a kerb in Oxford Street.

All travel involves burning fuel. A TB20 is only a bit worse than a 747. Recent Boeing 747-800 adverts claim 3 litres per 100 passenger km; the TB20 works out at 4.5. If you want to save carbon, cut out the family holidays to Orlando - each one of them burns some 3 digit quantity of avtur.

There is no case against GA for being exceptionally wasteful.
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Recent Boeing 747-800 adverts claim 3 litres per 100 passenger km
Yes, but that is with all passenger seats filled for all their flights.. wich is not.. probably reality will come close or over your plane!!
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Calm down, people. I treat stuff about carbon footprints the same way I treat anything else idiotic which I'm told I should or shouldn't do - I smile sweetly, don't argue, and get on with living my life the way I want to live it. I simply can't be bothered with discussing these things or reacting to them. And to paraphrase Eleanor Roosevelt (I think), no-one can make me feel guilty without my consent.
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To the best of my knowledge there has been no rigorous study of the carbon impact of GA.

Maybe there should be, it would be interesting at-least. However, since whatever we emit is mostly in the lower troposphere outside of built up areas, it's of limited impact.
As long as you dont get good ol' Uncle Gordy to initiate the study, it might be worthwhile otherwise if he does it, expect the end of the world to be nigh unless we pay millions of pounds into the coffers of the UK government thus ensuring that every country with a GA following is saved by us.
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In the USA (FL anyway) it is an offence to just throw the contents of the fuel strainer on the ground. If it is uncontaminated it is poured back into the fuel tank. Generally we take three samples, two under tank and one from the engine. Say on average 50ml for each sample is thrown on the tarmac. 150ml may not seem much but multiply that by all the GA movements daily and then annually and there is quite a lot of fuel thrown away each year. Probably not enough to see the world mean temperature drop by 3oC but it al helps.

Here in the UK, I still use this practice and a lot of people I fly with ask me what the hell I am doing, but at least personally I feel I am doing my bit for the environment.

Incidently is neat fuel thrown on the tarmac worse for the environment than converting it into CO2 in the reciprocating piston engine?
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In my opinion nature always stettle's itselfs.. even if we drop a few atomic bombs here and there, doesn't mean the whole world is gone

that bloody al gore crap is just great for the proletarian crowd over there, i'm so happy they never go on holiday with a plane right ?
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That chap at Glasgow Airport two of them.






I'll get me coat.
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Originally Posted by Whirlybird
Calm down, people. I treat stuff about carbon footprints the same way I treat anything else idiotic which I'm told I should or shouldn't do - I smile sweetly, don't argue, and get on with living my life the way I want to live it. I simply can't be bothered with discussing these things or reacting to them. And to paraphrase Eleanor Roosevelt (I think), no-one can make me feel guilty without my consent.
So, my dear whirly, have you considered the impact of your CATS on global warming? Every breath they take, all the food they eat that has to be manufactured and transported... I could go on!

And if anyone else out there has a pet or pets, THIS MEANS YOU AS WELL!

Just kidding!



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Does anybody know or use any specific links/companies when calculating their carbon footprint for their private use? Aircraft interested in: Seneca II & V, Cessna 340
Avgas produces about 2.3kg of CO2 per litre IIRC

Ian
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