Tie-down block falls from light aircraft
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"Do You Think He Noticed When It Fell Off?"
Well Farmer 1...let's sse now....
1 He didn't notice it on his walkaround..
2 He didn't notice it when he taxied
3 He didn't notice it during take-off
4 He didn't notice it in the climb
I think you're beginning to see where I'm comig from here
(Bet it resulted in an interesting change of pitch tho!!) bm
1 He didn't notice it on his walkaround..
2 He didn't notice it when he taxied
3 He didn't notice it during take-off
4 He didn't notice it in the climb
I think you're beginning to see where I'm comig from here
(Bet it resulted in an interesting change of pitch tho!!) bm
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Scooter Boy:
"This report is just more evidence for those members of the public who think all private pilots are idiots"
Are you sure it was a private pilot? I think we need to wait and see what the AAIB abd CAA come up with before we attribute this to a PPL.
Wonder where the other tie down landed?
"This report is just more evidence for those members of the public who think all private pilots are idiots"
Are you sure it was a private pilot? I think we need to wait and see what the AAIB abd CAA come up with before we attribute this to a PPL.
Wonder where the other tie down landed?
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Blocks away
The whole point has been missed by all but Javellin, This was not a PPl but may have been a supposedly professional pilot and not a school aircraft as some may think as they are all hangared and never tied down.
Who did the walk round "Stevie Wonder".....
Having just read Martinidoc's post I amended the above.
Flak awaited
Who did the walk round "Stevie Wonder".....
Having just read Martinidoc's post I amended the above.
Flak awaited
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One good turn
Gorilla, was that not an old dog joke, why dose a dog turn round twice when they lay down, because one good turn deserves another!!!!!!
Hat--wellies--exit stage left.
Hat--wellies--exit stage left.
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Let he who is without sin.....
Confession time!
1. As a very new student I was starting the Tomahawk when I glanced across at the instructor and noticed he was smiling slightly. Thinking he was having a nice day, I gave a taxi call and opened the throttle....a bit more and she should start to roll....just a bit more...then the penny dropped.
I shut down and got out to undo the tie-downs, then noticed the row of smiling faces in the aero club window. The instructor didn't say anything, and he didn't need to, it was the best lesson I could have had!!
2. Years later, having recently completed my homebuilt Fisher 'Classic' 2 seat biplane, I was experimenting with the prop pitch. This involved dismantling the blades from the hub and re-assembling with different pitch blocks. Having carefully re-torqued everything, I started up and attempted to taxi out. She seemed reluctant to roll on the grass, so just a bit more throttle...and we slowly reversed! The hub was able to be used with left or right handed blades, and I'd assembled it @rse about!
In my defense, I also had a microlight which used the same type of prop as a pusher, so I was used to seeing it that way around. Very embarrassing though.
Why is it that these things always have an audience, but perfect landings are never noticed?
The moral of the story? There's always time for a good pre-flight. "Better late in this world than early in the next".
1. As a very new student I was starting the Tomahawk when I glanced across at the instructor and noticed he was smiling slightly. Thinking he was having a nice day, I gave a taxi call and opened the throttle....a bit more and she should start to roll....just a bit more...then the penny dropped.
I shut down and got out to undo the tie-downs, then noticed the row of smiling faces in the aero club window. The instructor didn't say anything, and he didn't need to, it was the best lesson I could have had!!
2. Years later, having recently completed my homebuilt Fisher 'Classic' 2 seat biplane, I was experimenting with the prop pitch. This involved dismantling the blades from the hub and re-assembling with different pitch blocks. Having carefully re-torqued everything, I started up and attempted to taxi out. She seemed reluctant to roll on the grass, so just a bit more throttle...and we slowly reversed! The hub was able to be used with left or right handed blades, and I'd assembled it @rse about!
In my defense, I also had a microlight which used the same type of prop as a pusher, so I was used to seeing it that way around. Very embarrassing though.
Why is it that these things always have an audience, but perfect landings are never noticed?
The moral of the story? There's always time for a good pre-flight. "Better late in this world than early in the next".
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Why is it that these things always have an audience?
I can't remember how much of a circle they did because we were too busy laughing.
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I think it is the ground staff being a bit proactive in securing the aircraft after a Zenair flipped in strong winds during the Winter. The pilot, probably not used to tie-downs, simply didn't notice them. It probably wasn't even windy enough to require the use of tie-downs.
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Reminds me of a particularly blustery day at leicester a few weeks earlier a C150 had crashed unfortunately and was a right state and was never to fly again it was that bent. Next to the maintanance shed with blocks of concrete and various other things attached to tail to keep damaged nose wheel of the ground. After the storm the aircraft had moved about 4ft and there were no scratches from the concrete block so u can prove people wrong it did fly again
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Lifting Power of Wings
When I first started flying gliders as a kid in Benalla (North East Victoria, Oz) we had an ES52B Kookaburra sitting beside the strip and noticed a willy willy coming across the field in a straight line for the Kooka. The Duty Pilot yelled a warning and a couple of us threw ourselves onto the a/c, one guy across the fuselage at the tail and me across the downward wing tip. The willy willy arrived amongst lot of dust and I had a sensation of flying through the air and came down rather solidly with the wind completely knocked out of me on the ground on THE OTHER SIDE OF THE GLIDER. The a/c had a wingspan of 15 metres so I was thrown at least 20 metres and an observer said I achieved an altitude of at least 5 metres!
I have had a healthy respect for the lifting power of aerofoils ever since.
I have had a healthy respect for the lifting power of aerofoils ever since.
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Pilot fined over falling concrete...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/7140972.stm
Pretty small block, fairly significant hole...
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Edit: Rats, littco beat me to it!
Pretty small block, fairly significant hole...
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Edit: Rats, littco beat me to it!
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All jokes aside boy's and girls, is this guy still flying and why after something as blatant as this.
after reading the extract from the paper it would seem that life is worth about £1700,fine and cost's. Would it be different if someone had got hurt.
Gontek
after reading the extract from the paper it would seem that life is worth about £1700,fine and cost's. Would it be different if someone had got hurt.
Gontek
A tad harsh I fear. People make mistakes .. and hopefully learn from them.
I admit to once taking off with the pitot cover still on. If we didn't make mistakes and learn there would be no "I learned about flying from that".
If in a moment of inattention I mounted a kerb in my car ... oops no harm done nothing further happens but it's a wake up call.
If there had been a bus queue there and I'd killed 3 kids of course it would have been different.
I admit to once taking off with the pitot cover still on. If we didn't make mistakes and learn there would be no "I learned about flying from that".
If in a moment of inattention I mounted a kerb in my car ... oops no harm done nothing further happens but it's a wake up call.
If there had been a bus queue there and I'd killed 3 kids of course it would have been different.
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As Dave says, he's made a mistake.
The law has prosecuted him and he's paid the statutory penalty placed on him by the judge. No doubt the CAA have also offered him 'appropriate' advice and he's been placed under no illusions about the seriousness of the offence and what he has to do in the future to ensure his own safety and the safety of others.
If we took everyone's licence off them after a mistake had been made, there would be NO ONE still flying. Every mistake is potentially one which could lead to endangering someone, but fortunately in most cases the circumstances mean that this does not happen.
Aviation safety improvement only works if there is a 'just' culture, where genuine errors are addressed in a manner where people are not afraid to report things. The 'hang them high' brigade have no place in that culture and are just as much of a danger to aviation safety. If there is negligence or deliberate flouting of the rules, then the law can come in to force. Which is what happened here it seems.
The law has prosecuted him and he's paid the statutory penalty placed on him by the judge. No doubt the CAA have also offered him 'appropriate' advice and he's been placed under no illusions about the seriousness of the offence and what he has to do in the future to ensure his own safety and the safety of others.
If we took everyone's licence off them after a mistake had been made, there would be NO ONE still flying. Every mistake is potentially one which could lead to endangering someone, but fortunately in most cases the circumstances mean that this does not happen.
Aviation safety improvement only works if there is a 'just' culture, where genuine errors are addressed in a manner where people are not afraid to report things. The 'hang them high' brigade have no place in that culture and are just as much of a danger to aviation safety. If there is negligence or deliberate flouting of the rules, then the law can come in to force. Which is what happened here it seems.
A tie down is typically a cube of a couple of feet, which will usually kill any third party whom it hits in freefall. Statistically it is likely to fall randomly from an aircraft into an uncongested area. We can be reasonably certain that the pilot did not deliberately flout the law but made a mistake. He paid £1700 in fines and costs.
A motor car is typically a cuboid of several hundred cubic feet, which will often if not usually kill any third party whom it hits at typical speed. Statistically it is more likely to encounter such a third party as such third parties tend to be more densely populated than average close to roads. A driver who deliberately flouts the speed limit can expect a £30 fine.
A motor car is typically a cuboid of several hundred cubic feet, which will often if not usually kill any third party whom it hits at typical speed. Statistically it is more likely to encounter such a third party as such third parties tend to be more densely populated than average close to roads. A driver who deliberately flouts the speed limit can expect a £30 fine.
Just going on a little bit from what I said earlier ... I read one of the "That Worst Day" things in Flyer the otehr month.
Gist was it was a perfectly OK pilot of mature years in a C172 or such, retired heavy metal driver and such high credentials and but on (or under) whom the nosewheel collapsed during a perfect greaser of a landing.
What had he done wrong ???
Ans = nothing other than use an aeroplane that somebody had previously "wheelbarrowed" but was afraid to own up to.
Cost £1700 not a chance .. engine, prop and front fuselage stripdown and rebuild or replace ... try nearer £10,000.
Gist was it was a perfectly OK pilot of mature years in a C172 or such, retired heavy metal driver and such high credentials and but on (or under) whom the nosewheel collapsed during a perfect greaser of a landing.
What had he done wrong ???
Ans = nothing other than use an aeroplane that somebody had previously "wheelbarrowed" but was afraid to own up to.
Cost £1700 not a chance .. engine, prop and front fuselage stripdown and rebuild or replace ... try nearer £10,000.
